Don´t woery I´m not thinking about giving a Daemonette or Blodletter the Rossete…

For me one of the best things in Radical´s Handbook was Oblationists faction of Radicalism. I never felt too much sympathy for Xanthites, but Oblationists, with their batshit attitude are something just for me. I want to use them as a Chekovs subplot/army and that got me thinking. They **** and sacrifice themselves willingly by use of daemon weapons, sorcery and worse. What could be worse? Or the worst, ultimate sacrifice for the Emperor? What about ascending into daemonhood?

I havent studied my copy of Black Crusade but I understand that there is a way to become a Daemon Prince for the dedicated servant of Ruinous Powers. But those Chaos Gods are bunch of sick bastards, so would it be possible for them to bestow such a gift on one of their nominaly worst enemies? If Oblationist Inquisitor is corrupted enough by warp, surrounded by infamy of burned worlds, crucified populations and broken spines of Greater Daemons, would it be enough for him to become a Daemon.

And more importantly, would it be possible for him to retain his Oblationist conviction, warped as it my be, even in his inhuman state? You know, something Haarlock-ish..

Well, it's certainly an idea. I'm not sure if it's a good one, though. While Tzeentch might create a daemon prince just to mess with the other gods/his own daemons/further his unfathomable plans, he's the only one. Khorne, Slaanesh and Nurgle wouldn't do it if they believed the Ascended would still fight against them. In all liklihood, this level of corruption is not something that an Oblationist would be able to resist, try as he might. While daemons could certainly work against each other and conspire, their very existence is at the whim of their patron deity. Even if Tzeentch allowed him to exist, everything the "Inquisitor" did at that point would be feeding into the Arch Deceiver's plans so what would be the point? I can see it happening, out of a misguided sense that the Oblationist believed they could control it, but then from that point on Tzeentch just scored a great victory and the Inquisitor would essentially cease to exist. They would become just another pawn, albeit one Tzeentch would probably be very proud of. No good could come of this, in my opinion.

Seems more like something that would make a good adversary. An Oblationist who is actively trying to achieve daemonhood so he or she can gain that power "to fight Chaos." Reminds me of Quixos and any number of other Radicals who have turned over completely, but they make for very interesting and sympathetic characters.

I would like to use this Daemon-Inquisitor in a way similiar to Solomon Haarlock, mythic/backround character/antagonist (but still a possible ally), he is supposed to be one of the Pretender Heralds Nihila, bunch of rather nasty guys* "returning" into my homemade sector and according to several prophesies one of the is suspected to be a Revenant And Harbinger, you know, something like apocalypse-party starter (funny thing is nobody is sure who he realy is)

Back to the Inquisitor. I don´t want to make him affiliated with any Greater Power, he should be Undivided or something even more unknown as Dusk Hag, King in the Rags and Tatters or Horned Darkness from Calixis sector. Firstly I played with the idea of avatar of Malal/Malice but as with the Big Four I dont think its necessary that every servant or in this case user of Chaos should be always allinged to the Tzeench, Slaanesh etc. I always took them more like the ideas than a personalities, but despite this I guess all of them have wicked sense of perversity (in BC I loved story about noblewoman who consumed several Keepers of Secrets and was awarded by Slaanesh with daemonhood) and that their actions are anything but logical.

There are always many points of view, so when the fact of his daemonhood will be known to PCs I want to make it hard for them to decide (I hope they wouldnt be staunch Puritans:P). Is radicalism OK but there is a line. Or is it? Isnt the Daemonhood final expression of Oblationist Creed of selfsacrifice by corrupting yourself in Emperor´s Name. His schemes would kill hundred of millions and **** whole planets but they would always be aimed againts what it think are the enemies of Imperium and there will be actual servants of Chaos trying to kill/imprison it. But there is still possibility that the daemon is deluding itself and is actualy doing much more damage than it is worth.. I think about adding at least two other important Oblationist characters later if his identity and nature will be discovered, one to follow him even afterwards and other to recoil in disgust and hartred.

*besides this Oblationist I already made Imperial Saint brought to life by dark necromancy (think Macharius crossed with Frankensteins monster), ancient Abominable Intelligence corrupting local Mechanicus and voodoo-witch-cults and horribly gonna right Famula breeding project

Wow! Your campaigns sound nuts! I like it!

Okay, so I can see where you're going with this. I think I understand that you don't really think he's pulling it off or can still honestly fight for the Imperium, but HE thinks he is. I like the idea of adding a couple of other characters to offer the range of reactions to his idea. One thing you said, though, is that it might not be obvious that he's a daemon at first? Do you mean the people looking for him don't know he's ascended or it's somehow hidden? I've never heard of a daemon-prince that wasn't insanely powerful and I think it would be tough to hide that and his various "gifts."

As for alignment, those other gods or entities or what-have-you have not been fleshed out that much, so perhaps their daemon-princes are fundamentally different and that's kind of cool. It sounds to me like you're putting enough thought into this that you should go for it.

Well, more like campaign concepts to be honest, I took a bit more work than I can handle in some sensible time:P

He isn´t supposed to be shown much and when/if he will be present he will keep Nazghoul/Darth Sidious-ish cape and appearance with only darkness inside (with pretty nasty daemonic aura, warp phenomens and self-flagelating himself with relics of Imperial Faith), I am still thinking about his full manifestation which could happen, my ideas are about something like liquid tentacled darkness (but as I want to use Umbra I dont want to mix those two). Of course he will be insanely powerful I´ll keep him Undivided/not decided.

TorogTarkdacil812 said:

Just my 2 cents

I'm not sure if completely undivided works. I think you have to choose SOMEthing, even if it's not obvious. The only reason being that daemonhood isn't something that I've known to be self-actualized. It's a gift that is bestowed… I think Malal would work, or one of the other minor powers, or one even of your own choosing. Making your own Chaos power is kind of a big deal though… They are fed by emotions, fears, ambitions, etc. so they always end up representing some aspect of life. They could feed on xenos, however, who don't have emotions in the way we think of them. I think you need to have him basically choose something, though. I've not heard of a case where daemonhood was something that was personally achieved without the action of a chaos power. Of course, nobody has to know his patron.

Gregorius21778: What about the Inquisition very own Infil-traitors? But yeah, this is pretty much the point I want to make that the situation is going to be pretty much frakked up… still there will be notions how his net of Oathed operatives makes hell and carnage in ranks of actual Chaos servants..

Jeff Tibbets: I´m not sure, entities presented in Dark Heresy core rulebook I already doesn´t seem to be invested by any greater power. Just to clarify Daemon-Inquisitor isnt supposed to be a new entity more like millenia old legend* which returned from the void to enjoy some indiscriminate heretic-and-bystanders burning (and by observing the Inquisition, recalling the ancient pacts and by the fact his/its Rossete was never revoked, it establish itself as righterous member of Holy Ordos).

Going to thinking about the emotions… but maybe ruining the day of billions of Chaos worshipers combined with some righterous corruption and empyrean jibbly-wibbly could make a good case in eyes of Chaos

*I know that RH describe Oblationist as relatively recent, but I took it means recent in Calixis Sector

Just to clarify, I meant that the Inquisitor should choose a patron, instead of making him totally independent.

Jeff Tibbetts said: