Negated Reversal + Sakura Question

By Smazzurco, in UFS Rules Q & A

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So I form with Sakura so that i can play that Feline Spike, its worded "may be played once as though it was in your hand ".

So i attack my opponent, who blocks and reversals. I use criminal past on his reversal and announce to Reversal with that Feline Spike from my discard pile as though it was in my hand .

My opponent uses some form of R negation to negate my reversal...now does the card go "back to my hand" (since i was playing it "as if it was in my hand") or does it remain in my discard pile?

It seems it SHOULD remain in my discard pile, however if a reversal is announced from a players hand then negated it remains in their hand.

Thanks

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From current rulings on Your Mind is Known to Me and such, when a card is being played it is moved to a limbo zone (but not actually moved there), so yes it would go back to your hand because a play being canceled puts the card back in your hand.

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you state that you want to play the Reversal R on feline spike in your discard pile

401.2.4 Reversal – R: After an opponent’s attack has resolved that a player has blocked, they may immediately
play the reversal attack from their hand before the current turn may go on as normal. This attack has
an enhance, block, and damage step as normal. Once the reversal attack has been played or failed, blocking
determined, and any damage dealt, the player whose turn it is will continue as normal. A player may only
attempt to reverse once after an attack.

if you negate the reversal R then anything after the colon doesnt happen.

you never attempt to play the attack so it never limbos

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Ziephnir said:

you state that you want to play the Reversal R on feline spike in your discard pile

401.2.4 Reversal – R: After an opponent’s attack has resolved that a player has blocked, they may immediately
play the reversal attack from their hand before the current turn may go on as normal. This attack has
an enhance, block, and damage step as normal. Once the reversal attack has been played or failed, blocking
determined, and any damage dealt, the player whose turn it is will continue as normal. A player may only
attempt to reverse once after an attack.

if you negate the reversal R then anything after the colon doesnt happen.

you never attempt to play the attack so it never limbos

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stays in discard. you only failed to resolve the ability of reversal, which precludes even playing the spike, which is still in the discard.

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GouHadou said:

Ziephnir said:

you state that you want to play the Reversal R on feline spike in your discard pile

401.2.4 Reversal – R: After an opponent’s attack has resolved that a player has blocked, they may immediately
play the reversal attack from their hand before the current turn may go on as normal. This attack has
an enhance, block, and damage step as normal. Once the reversal attack has been played or failed, blocking
determined, and any damage dealt, the player whose turn it is will continue as normal. A player may only
attempt to reverse once after an attack.

if you negate the reversal R then anything after the colon doesnt happen.

you never attempt to play the attack so it never limbos

*STAMP*

stays in discard. you only failed to resolve the ability of reversal, which precludes even playing the spike, which is still in the discard.

boo. Not quite as dirty as i thought it would be.

Oh well, thanks

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GouHadou said:

Ziephnir said:

you state that you want to play the Reversal R on feline spike in your discard pile

401.2.4 Reversal – R: After an opponent’s attack has resolved that a player has blocked, they may immediately
play the reversal attack from their hand before the current turn may go on as normal. This attack has
an enhance, block, and damage step as normal. Once the reversal attack has been played or failed, blocking
determined, and any damage dealt, the player whose turn it is will continue as normal. A player may only
attempt to reverse once after an attack.

if you negate the reversal R then anything after the colon doesnt happen.

you never attempt to play the attack so it never limbos

*STAMP*

stays in discard. you only failed to resolve the ability of reversal, which precludes even playing the spike, which is still in the discard.

Does that mean even though it was negated as a reversal, that it could still be played as a form later on in the same turn?

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yes, you can. you still haven't played the card yet.

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How is playing the card not playing the card? I don't understand... If you play an R or E or F on a card, you've "played" the card right? Even if it's canceled. That's why you can't just keep reversaling w/ the same attack (after the R is canceled) until they don't cancel it.

You've played it, they've canceled.

You can't cancel something that isn't played.

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that would be the blue cards sir

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aslum said:

How is playing the card not playing the card? I don't understand... If you play an R or E or F on a card, you've "played" the card right? Even if it's canceled. That's why you can't just keep reversaling w/ the same attack (after the R is canceled) until they don't cancel it.

You've played it, they've canceled.

You can't cancel something that isn't played.

Playing the Reversal response ability isn't playing the card, it's an ability that's played from the hand. You don't play the attack, then declare palying the Reversal ability and play it a second time.