another X character in play

By Khudzlin, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

Tommen Baratheon:

Lord. King

If there is another King character in play, Tommen Baratheon cannot attack, defend or trigger his character ability.

Marshalling : Kneel Tommen Baratheon to draw a card.

What happens if Tommen loses the King trait while there is a character other than Tommen who has the King trait? Is the second character "another King character" or since Tommen is no longer one, that character cannot be another?

Kind of a fine line call. You either need something specific from FFG, or leave it open to the interpretation of the event organizer.

For the most part, though, yeah, there cannot be "another" King in play if Tommen himself is not a King.

Thanks for the answer. Do you know the email address I can use to contact FFG (or where I can find it)?

"Rules Questions" link at the bottom of the page, under the copyright and near the "Contact Us" link.

Thanks again.

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I got an answer from Damon.

Original question:

Jeyne Westerling (A Song of Summer) reads "If there is another Queen character in play …".
Can there be another Queen character in play if Jeyne herself somehow (Old Nan, Nightmares, Meera Reed) loses the Queen trait?

Original answer:

No.

As I wasn't sure what the "no" was about exactly, I asked for clarification:

Does the "No" refer to the condition being fulfilled or to Jeyne Westerling being able to attack, defend and use her ability?

Final answer:

Losing her trait in no way interacts with or changes her card text.

From that, I gather that if Jeyne loses her Queen trait while is some other character with the Queen trait, she's still mostly useless.

Khudzlin said:

Final answer:

Losing her trait in no way interacts with or changes her card text.

The "in no way interacts" seems odd to me in that it would be far too easy to over-generalize the answer into something incorrect. If Maester Aemon lost his trait, there'd be "interaction" and he wouldn't be able to save himself, for example.

But yes, the answer given seems to be that "another Queen character" should be read as "a Queen character other than Jeyne Westerling (self-referential)," such that Jeyne's traits are not important to the application of the effect.

Could it be that because "another Queen character" cannot be defined while Jeyne is not a Queen that the effect would be unable to resolve? That wouldn't require any subjective interpretation of her text.

mdc273 said:

Could it be that because "another Queen character" cannot be defined while Jeyne is not a Queen that the effect would be unable to resolve? That wouldn't require any subjective interpretation of her text.

Oh, I was reading Damon's reply as it didn't resolve. That was my confusion.