UFS HQ for Path of the Master?

By player1952077, in UFS General Discussion

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Masterom2000 said:

Archimedes said:

I'm sorry, but just because you don't like MY opinion on these matters doesn't mean that I am suddenly excluded from participating in this discussion. As soon as I decide to become involved, I am involved. Funny how that works eh?

They announced almost a year ago that these events would be the only place to acquire the promos. Where were you then?

Where were you when Hatman raised concerns about this exact same thing almost a year ago?

They're not going to hand these cards out at regionals because it kills the impact of the event. This thing was a year long, and they want it to culminate in something special for the people who are going to put forth the effort. Just as they do with every thing else.

I didn't say you were excluded. You are doing nothing constructive other than filling this thread with flaming comments for no reason. I'm glad you disagree. Point taken. Good show. Still doesn't change the purpose of this thread. I also said above that the situation was done by STG, which is no longer around. I was hoping FFG would fix the situation, but didn't as I also said before. I do put forth the effort. I run their tournaments. I buy their product pretty heavy. I play a ton during the week. I promote it around the whole area and spend tons of time teaching people how to play. By your statement, the kids that came down every week and fought for the badges didn't put forth any "effort" to earn those promos. It's their fault their parents won't take them or they don't have the money to go. Maybe you should re-evaluate your life, and tone down the elitism a bit.

Your kids put forth the effort to win the badges. When the badges started coming out there was also the announcement that you'd only be able to acquire the promo at one of the three events. The effort to get the promos requires saving money and going to that event to acquire the promo. Or you could put forth the effort to acquire the services of the people offering to mule patches for you.

I re-evaluated my life a long time ago, and I found that complaining about situations that are completely out of my hands is not going to change them. There's no elitism in my post, just blatant realism.

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Archimedes said:

Masterom2000 said:

Archimedes said:

I'm sorry, but just because you don't like MY opinion on these matters doesn't mean that I am suddenly excluded from participating in this discussion. As soon as I decide to become involved, I am involved. Funny how that works eh?

They announced almost a year ago that these events would be the only place to acquire the promos. Where were you then?

Where were you when Hatman raised concerns about this exact same thing almost a year ago?

They're not going to hand these cards out at regionals because it kills the impact of the event. This thing was a year long, and they want it to culminate in something special for the people who are going to put forth the effort. Just as they do with every thing else.

I didn't say you were excluded. You are doing nothing constructive other than filling this thread with flaming comments for no reason. I'm glad you disagree. Point taken. Good show. Still doesn't change the purpose of this thread. I also said above that the situation was done by STG, which is no longer around. I was hoping FFG would fix the situation, but didn't as I also said before. I do put forth the effort. I run their tournaments. I buy their product pretty heavy. I play a ton during the week. I promote it around the whole area and spend tons of time teaching people how to play. By your statement, the kids that came down every week and fought for the badges didn't put forth any "effort" to earn those promos. It's their fault their parents won't take them or they don't have the money to go. Maybe you should re-evaluate your life, and tone down the elitism a bit.

Your kids put forth the effort to win the badges. When the badges started coming out there was also the announcement that you'd only be able to acquire the promo at one of the three events. The effort to get the promos requires saving money and going to that event to acquire the promo. Or you could put forth the effort to acquire the services of the people offering to mule patches for you.

I re-evaluated my life a long time ago, and I found that complaining about situations that are completely out of my hands is not going to change them. There's no elitism in my post, just blatant realism.

Well, I'm sorry your a quitter. I'm not. I once again have no idea why you are here still. You have made it very clear that only people with "effort" deserve these cards. I'm glad. I just think it sucks. I'm asking other people who feel the same way to say so. No idea why you are complaining, since if things were changed, it would help you too. Everyone who earned a badge should get a promo for it without having to spend 200-300 on a plane trip+hotels or having to trust someone else with getting them for them. Once again, that announcment was made by a now dead company. FFG is doing it. Not STG. But seriously, I'm not going to feed your trolling ways any longer. Have a good evening, I've said my piece.

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My thoughts:

1) Fantasy Flight Games has followed through on a program that was announced by STG. Bravo to them.

2) FFG has followed through on the program as it's originally announced. Bravo to them for having the integrity not to change the program because otherwise people would complain.

3) Bravo to FFG for announcing more than three months in advance where and when the event would be held, and sticking to it. Most major events in CCG's aren't announced with as much notice.

4) There is a player who has already posted in another thread <HERE> that he has 0 patches, and needs to get his hands on some to attend the event. I'm sure that if some reasonable person said "I'll send you my thirteen patches, you keep 4 of the promos, and send me back the remaining 9 and my patches." That would cost you less then travelling to a regionals event. Aparantly he has a girlfriend, she may be interested in muleing and taking another 13 patches along.

5) I personally feel that distributing the promos at the Regionals would be too complicated, as Scouts would have to send back extra promos, and there would be all sorts of challenges tracking the events.

6) Some people are probably going to complain that the promo was crappy and wasn't worth it. While other players are going to complain that the promo is ZOMG broken, and should be banned.

7) Ultimately FFG is screwed no matter what they do, because even if they hold an event that is free for everyone to attend, and gives away stuff for free, that cost them money to print, and distribute, and pay their staff to attend, and is really cool and fun, people are going to complain.

8) I live in another country all together from the United States, and have travelled to the Worlds every year that STG has held it, and have travelled distances to compete in my own national championships that most players are unwilling to travel. So please don't try to play the "You're not complaining because the event is only 500 miles for you to travel." card.

9) It's 17 hours from Rochester to Minniapolis. With 4 dudes in a car, that should be about $250 for Gas round trip. That's like $60 a person, that really doesn't seem that expensive to me.

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I would lend my patches to somebody but they are on a jacket preocupado.gif . also, i would get them back with only a playet of the said card.

anyway, i have a feeling that i'll get a playset whitout even asking for it.

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Rene, i'll trade you some of my extras if you decide you want whatever the promo is =P

i don't think many in my playgroup specificly are going to go to the PotM event, but they aren't that upset about it... i haven't even told them that someone who's going with me will be able to mule their patches for them yet...

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Would anybody be willing to put me up in their hotel room if I manage to make it out to this?

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ShadowDragon said:

um... people from Florida ARE going >_> they save up in advance b/c it was announced like in January/Feb a YEAR ago that there would only be 1 of these events in the US and then they buy a handy little thing called a plane ticket... most round-trip tickets only cost like 200-300 (or less depending on how far you book in advance), and then there's the hotel costs, which many people have gotten in the habit of splitting with others who are going to cut down on the costs significantly... and really, i bet people are happy just to hang out with other players, trade cards, get some games in with people they only get to see a couple times a year, enjoy free stuff (i'm willing to bet that the 'exclusive PotM' promo is NOT the only thing that gets given out by FFG that weekend) and just have a blast.

anyways, most people who are going will probably be leaving with 13 copies of whatever card it is... most people don't need 13 copies of a single card... and then there's the UK PotM event,where most people will again leave with 13 copies... if people are patient enough they'll probably have their playsets within a month or two..

Hey im one of the FL people your talking about waves hands to everyone I will be there and I bet I will be one of the players traveling the farthest .

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Da_ghetto_gamer said:

That doesnt make it any less a bunch of crap i mean i wanted 2 go and if it was any closer to VA i probably along with anyone else in my store with patches probably would to but its not worth the effort to go hours and hours away when id rather go 2 regionals and worlds......it really should be somewhere in the middle of the us like nebraska or kansas......idk hell somewhere that its equal distance from all 4 sides of the border

What exactly do people in florida do?

Actually to be fair it is pretty central to NORTH America. Not just the states. Im in Ontario and its a 17 hour drive for us. about the same for new york 20ish hrs from tx. the only ppl that get kinda screwed are the people in the south west coast at like... 21+hr drives. EDIT: And the Quebecers as its 24+hrs too

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Link said:

Da_ghetto_gamer said:

That doesnt make it any less a bunch of crap i mean i wanted 2 go and if it was any closer to VA i probably along with anyone else in my store with patches probably would to but its not worth the effort to go hours and hours away when id rather go 2 regionals and worlds......it really should be somewhere in the middle of the us like nebraska or kansas......idk hell somewhere that its equal distance from all 4 sides of the border

What exactly do people in florida do?

Actually to be fair it is pretty central to NORTH America. Not just the states. Im in Ontario and its a 17 hour drive for us. about the same for new york 20ish hrs from tx. the only ppl that get kinda screwed are the people in the south west coast at like... 21+hr drives.

Yeah, i ain't going for a lot of reason, but i live in the far east of quebec, which screw me for most events like that.

ShadowDragon said:

Rene, i'll trade you some of my extras if you decide you want whatever the promo is =P

duh, what i said. i'm pretty busy these days but look up for me on aim.

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I'll just say these two things that are ON-topic.

1. I agree with Archy.
2. Give them out at the regionals? And then have people ***** about having to pay to go to regionals/there's not one in their area?

Off-topic - we're working on our plan right now, insofar as who's going, costs, yadda yadda. However, if we have any room, Arch, I don't think anyone would mind terribly if you crashed with us.

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M2000:

the reason that this thread is going nowhere, is because you failed, completely, to deliver what you said you did - a rational argument. i read through 3 pages of posts and not once did i see you state exactly why what you propose is a GOOD idea versus what FFG is doing.

you're basically complaining about winter being cold. you knew it was coming for how long now?

and complaining on behalf of people who can't travel just isn't going to sit well either. do you want the world championships to be put into your backard because you don't want to make any sacrifices? fine, what about everyone else? don't they also deserve to have things handed to them? the way i see it, if you're bummed about not being able to make the event, realize whose fault it is, since there was ample time to do what needed to be done to make it.

being bummed about not getting promos?

are you SERIOUS? this game has a 4 card max per deck, and i know a lot of people like myself who are only interested in having a set of 4. that's 9 copies extra that come home to be traded/sold/exchanged for services, per PERSON. USE YOUR IMAGINATION.

"i live in NYC, and damnit i want to play in a big event on the west coast. MOVE CALIFORNIA CLOSER TO ACCOMMODATE ME." this is the level of nonsense your 'rational argument' is made of.

NOTE: there is a difference between attacking a person, and their ideas. i thought your posts were silly, and i let loose on them. there is a fine line to be tread here, and points can be made without belittling the person making them. feel free to prove me wrong, and make an actual argument for what you believe in.

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Shiros said:

Exactly. I feel like the time I spent winning my patches is wasted time, now. I understand they can't make it easilly accesible to everyone, but, at least have more than one area for the redemption.

1.) It was never supposed to be a redemption. It was a 'get these patches for access to our fancy tournament in 09 at a location that we're yet announced', kind of thing. It was always that.

2.) You still have a prize from the entire thing. Those somewhat pretty cool patches. If we actually had to turn the patchs IN in and not get them back, I would not do so, as I'd rather keep the patch.

3.) (in regards to a comment made by the OP) Your time was not wasted. You have competition, you got patches, and promos for that event.

4.) There will be more than enough of this exclusive promo out there for many (not all) people to be able to trade for it.

5.) How is the game ruined because there is one card, that's probably gonna be so corner case useful or something, that you're not goign to be handed willy nilly. TCGs = not everyone has easy access to every card. The game is the same game now as it will be when this promo hits public, just, with 4/60 cards in someone's (read as like 3/100 people's) deck doing something you can't have in your deck... really? The game is ruined?

6.) But yes it does kind of suck that you can't cash in your badges for these promos... But really, one should probably be easily able to get these after it releases by trades and such.

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Homme Chapeau said:

Masterom2000 said:

Good, it goes to show the calibur of the people who play this game. Last time I checked, general discussion was anything in general you want to talk about. I'm glad it doesn't bother you. I'm not glad you can't read and are a flaming a post I politely asked people not to. Thanks for your opinion, but I will ignore it for more intelligent responses.

[email protected]

Boards ain't getting read, or if they are, it's BARELY. Send your discontent in a polite manner to this chap, else you will be the subject of ridicule. FFG has minimal involvment in their boards, unless it is actually to post something.

OI! that's not cool at all. How does it have to be 'with redicule'? really? You're acting like a complete and total professional elitist know it all. Have some concern for those that weren't in the know.

And furthermore, even if he DID know that pbroman email thing, he can still post here his feelings right? Man... what a mean way to put things... Masterrom2000 you're on my *ORLY!?!* list.

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vermillian said:

Homme Chapeau said:

Masterom2000 said:

Good, it goes to show the calibur of the people who play this game. Last time I checked, general discussion was anything in general you want to talk about. I'm glad it doesn't bother you. I'm not glad you can't read and are a flaming a post I politely asked people not to. Thanks for your opinion, but I will ignore it for more intelligent responses.

[email protected]

Boards ain't getting read, or if they are, it's BARELY. Send your discontent in a polite manner to this chap, else you will be the subject of ridicule. FFG has minimal involvment in their boards, unless it is actually to post something.

OI! that's not cool at all. How does it have to be 'with redicule'? really? You're acting like a complete and total professional elitist know it all. Have some concern for those that weren't in the know.

And furthermore, even if he DID know that pbroman email thing, he can still post here his feelings right? Man... what a mean way to put things... Masterrom2000 you're on my *ORLY!?!* list.

retraction. Homme Chapeau is on my Dubya Tee Eff list. Not Masterom2000...

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Archimedes said:

I mean, it's not like you guys can't get in on the patch muling people are offering to do.

I mean, it's not like these patches themselves aren't pretty sweet to have

I mean, it's not like people with all thirteen patches aren't going to trade 9 of them away because they're going to be ridiculously hot trade bait.

Jesus, do you people even stop and think about what you're posting or do you just like to *****?

Protip: If you have to put a disclaimer about trolling and/or flaming in your post, then your subconscious is telling you that you're trolling and/or going to get flamed.

Pro tip: UFS players really are the jerkiest TCG players ever.

Have some common respect Arch. Oh wait... you live in Arizonia... nvm.

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Masterom2000 said:

Archimedes said:

I'm sorry, but just because you don't like MY opinion on these matters doesn't mean that I am suddenly excluded from participating in this discussion. As soon as I decide to become involved, I am involved. Funny how that works eh?

They announced almost a year ago that these events would be the only place to acquire the promos. Where were you then?

Where were you when Hatman raised concerns about this exact same thing almost a year ago?

They're not going to hand these cards out at regionals because it kills the impact of the event. This thing was a year long, and they want it to culminate in something special for the people who are going to put forth the effort. Just as they do with every thing else.

I didn't say you were excluded. You are doing nothing constructive other than filling this thread with flaming comments for no reason. I'm glad you disagree. Point taken. Good show. Still doesn't change the purpose of this thread. I also said above that the situation was done by STG, which is no longer around. I was hoping FFG would fix the situation, but didn't as I also said before. I do put forth the effort. I run their tournaments. I buy their product pretty heavy. I play a ton during the week. I promote it around the whole area and spend tons of time teaching people how to play. By your statement, the kids that came down every week and fought for the badges didn't put forth any "effort" to earn those promos. It's their fault their parents won't take them or they don't have the money to go. Maybe you should re-evaluate your life, and tone down the elitism a bit.

Heheh. Elistism... :)

But yeah. Slight error in how you were probably, then, presenting the path of the master's thing to these 'kids'. You should never have let them know it was going to be an easy trade kind of thing, if you didn't know that yourself. The kids put enough effort in to getting the badges, but the promos are a bit more effort. They would have known that, had their scout not been feeding them lies. :P

I know. I, too, gave my players hope that it might not be in the middle of somewhere we can't get to ville, but i also let them know that it might. I made no promises about where, when, format, or how accesible it was. You should have done the same.

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The only thing I dont really like about this event is kind of like how Zhao Daiyu was only available at US Nats and they wouldnt make her legal until everyone could get her in the monthly promos. She wasnt that hard to get in trades/online but because so many people complained about not being handed her at a local event easily she was made illegal for worlds. I see this as a slight double standard. I mean yea, I doubt it will be that hard to get this promo card from the PotM event, but there will be people who cant get it.

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FenMiHuo said:

The only thing I dont really like about this event is kind of like how Zhao Daiyu was only available at US Nats and they wouldnt make her legal until everyone could get her in the monthly promos. She wasnt that hard to get in trades/online but because so many people complained about not being handed her at a local event easily she was made illegal for worlds. I see this as a slight double standard. I mean yea, I doubt it will be that hard to get this promo card from the PotM event, but there will be people who cant get it.

Slight bit wrong here : Promos that were distributed at Nationals were never made legal before they hit worldwide distribution. Same with Zi Mei, she was not legal until the Set 9 Redemption program.

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vermillian said:

And furthermore, even if he DID know that pbroman email thing, he can still post here his feelings right? Man... what a mean way to put things... Masterrom2000 you're on my *ORLY!?!* list.

I've treated him the same way I've been treated by you and many others. If you wanted me to be a docile poster, the forums should have fostered this environment back at the old STG boards.

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Homme Chapeau said:

FenMiHuo said:

The only thing I dont really like about this event is kind of like how Zhao Daiyu was only available at US Nats and they wouldnt make her legal until everyone could get her in the monthly promos. She wasnt that hard to get in trades/online but because so many people complained about not being handed her at a local event easily she was made illegal for worlds. I see this as a slight double standard. I mean yea, I doubt it will be that hard to get this promo card from the PotM event, but there will be people who cant get it.

Slight bit wrong here : Promos that were distributed at Nationals were never made legal before they hit worldwide distribution. Same with Zi Mei, she was not legal until the Set 9 Redemption program.

Steve actually said zhao daiyu was going to legal for worlds, but ended up having to change it

EDIT: Well while I'm right he did say it after rereading the old post it may have been just been a mistake >_> but thats still what I was talking about, I don't mind the card being available just at path of the master, but like zi mei zhao daiyu I hope its released later as easier to get prize support

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FenMiHuo said:

EDIT: Well while I'm right he did say it after rereading the old post it may have been just been a mistake >_> but thats still what I was talking about, I don't mind the card being available just at path of the master, but like zi mei zhao daiyu I hope its released later as easier to get prize support

Then they'd do what you're blaming them to have done before, said something then taking it back. The whole Zhao Daiyu being legal at Worlds was a mistake on Steve's end as it contradicted what was standard procedure for promos at the time, as opposed to this, which is a special event planned a year in advance by another company which they chose to honor.

Now, whether or not this the card will be a staple in many decks remains to be seen. That's mostly my concern right now, as opposed to anything else.

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vermillian said:

Shiros said:

Exactly. I feel like the time I spent winning my patches is wasted time, now. I understand they can't make it easilly accesible to everyone, but, at least have more than one area for the redemption.

1.) It was never supposed to be a redemption. It was a 'get these patches for access to our fancy tournament in 09 at a location that we're yet announced', kind of thing. It was always that.

2.) You still have a prize from the entire thing. Those somewhat pretty cool patches. If we actually had to turn the patchs IN in and not get them back, I would not do so, as I'd rather keep the patch.

3.) (in regards to a comment made by the OP) Your time was not wasted. You have competition, you got patches, and promos for that event.

4.) There will be more than enough of this exclusive promo out there for many (not all) people to be able to trade for it.

5.) How is the game ruined because there is one card, that's probably gonna be so corner case useful or something, that you're not goign to be handed willy nilly. TCGs = not everyone has easy access to every card. The game is the same game now as it will be when this promo hits public, just, with 4/60 cards in someone's (read as like 3/100 people's) deck doing something you can't have in your deck... really? The game is ruined?

6.) But yes it does kind of suck that you can't cash in your badges for these promos... But really, one should probably be easily able to get these after it releases by trades and such.

1) I was always told it was a redemption, never knew I got to keep the patches afterwards.

2) The all patch sucks, it's odd. =P

3) We have the same competition every week. Same promos every week. Only thing new was the patches, and yeah, they are kind of cool, but the main reason I wanted them was to be able to get the promos for them. (especially Chaos/Order/All)

4) Yeah, sure, there'll be extras, but I just want my own without having to be able to trade. No one I know is going, I don't really know anyone online that I can trust to take my patches and give me what I should have gotten.

5) This would never ruin the game for me, it just discouraged me a little bit. There are a lot of cards I want, that are out right now, that I don't have.

6) Yeah, I understand, I just really don't want to trade for something I should be able to get without it.

And I would like to thank you for not being a jerk like 90% of everyone else. Just because it's the internet doesn't mean we have to be asses to each other. Sadly, though, that's the stigma of the internet.

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FenMiHuo said:

I don't mind the card being available just at path of the master, but like zi mei zhao daiyu I hope its released later as easier to get prize support

Why would they do that? The lucky winners of these events will receive any copies of the participation card that are left to give out as he/she sees fit!


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Laguna said:

FenMiHuo said:

I don't mind the card being available just at path of the master, but like zi mei zhao daiyu I hope its released later as easier to get prize support

Why would they do that? The lucky winners of these events will receive any copies of the participation card that are left to give out as he/she sees fit!


Well honestly it all depends how good the card is, lets say olcadans (or something as powerful) was the PotM promo, a card good enough to be a staple in every deck that not everyone can get would be kind of annoying, it would unbalance the game between those who had it and those who dont

Granted I don't think they would do that, but it could happen

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for everyone saying that players had plenty of time to set aside money for this event, you guys can speak only for yourselves. For people like me and most of the ATL group that have school to deal with, as well as all sorts of other expenses, we cant justify the decision to fly across the country just to get these promos. here's a thought, why not let ppl mail in the patches as a way to redeem them. I mean i worked with Zi Mei and Yi Shan so why cant we do it here. I dont blame FFG for wanting to put this event at their headquarters, its a cool angle. I do blame them for ONLY placing it at their headquarters and having no other way to access the cards.

just my 2 cents