Just wanted thoughts and opinions on the two types of Kampaffen Army that I can run. The focal point is Markus and his platoon with the other platoon scattering suppression where it can. I also want to be able to pare down the army to 250 points if a scenario deems it; so flexibility is also key. I love to hear the forums thoughts on these :

Dust Warfare - Force Builder Force A
Faction: Axis ( 300 / 300 )

Heroes:
Angela (30)

----- Markus - Gorillas (120)
Command Section: Markus (24, Hero)
1st Section: Axis Gorillas (24)
2nd Section: Axis Gorillas (24)
3rd Section: Axis Gorillas (24)
4th Section: Axis Gorillas (24)

----- Blutkreuz Platoon (150)
Upgrade: Defenses (5)
Command Section: Sturmpioniere (25)
1st Section: Laser Grenadiers (21)
2nd Section: Battle Grenadiers [upgrade] (20)
3rd Section: Battle Grenadiers [upgrade] (20)
4th Section: Recon Grenadiers (17)
Support: MPW II-A "Luther" (30)
Support: Sniper Grenadier Team (12)

Dust Warfare - Force Builder Force B
Faction: Axis ( 300 / 300 )

----- Markus - Gorillas (96)
Command Section: Markus (24, Hero)
1st Section: Axis Gorillas (24)
2nd Section: Axis Gorillas (24)
3rd Section: Axis Gorillas (24)

----- Sturmgrenadiere Platoon (204)
Upgrade: Extra Panzer Support (10)
Command Section: Kommandotrupp (25)
1st Section: Battle Grenadiers [upgrade] (20)
2nd Section: Battle Grenadiers [upgrade] (20)
3rd Section: Recon Grenadiers (17)
4th Section: Recon Grenadiers (17)
Support: MPW II-B "Ludwig" (40)
Support: LPW I-C "Hans" (25)
Support: MPW II-A "Luther" (30)

Thanks to all!

Greetings,

I think the biggest question I have about your lists is 'What are you willing to lose for a 250pts list?'

The second list looks easier to trim down, but you'd lose some flexibility. Especially since the easiest way to trim is to remove the extra Panzer and ditch the Ludwig. The kampfaffen can deal with most armour, and backing it up with the upgraded battle grenadiers you still have a credible long range threat.

The first is a lot harder to deal with. A maxed out kampfaffen force and a Blutkreuz Platoon… Personally I think a Sturmgrenadiere platoon would be better. Having the Blitzkrieg order may be more useful, unless you have a couple of squads of zombies as well. Where does Angela go? Whichever unit she gets placed in will also change the 50pts to pull out.

Regards,

Khib Yusa

Not enough Apes! Thats all I really have. Sorry for the lack of imput.

Khib yusa said:

Angela would be placed with the snipers. On you comment for the special order between platoons. Are saying you prefer the Blitzkrieg over the serum. I thought the serum only affected non-zombie units so I don't think I need the a zombie unit.

On getting down to 250, my first thought was to remove Angela and the snipers, Upgraded defenses, and remove the upgrade to one BG from Army A. On the second, I would drop the extra support and Ludwig from Army B.

Greetings,

Sorry if I confused you. I meant that you will need to have zombie minis available to use for the Zombo-juice-potion. Getting Zombies where I am is like trying to find rocking horse droppings.

The serum does only affect non-zombie units, but that does mean that you are expecting unit s to be only half mauled. If a unit isn't there it can't be affected by an order. Blitzkrieg is a much more aggressive order that helps move your guys up the field. E-Z Zombie means you take a bazooka to the crotch and hope that there is enough goo left to scrape into a pair of boots.

For me it is the sheer utility of the orders that help me choose which HQ. Blitzkrieg can be used every turn. Since there is a radio in that unit it can be used by ANY unit from that platoon on the battlefield. You also have a mechanic and a medic in the unit.

E-Z Zombie can only be used on a half dead unit, provided that they took casualties that turn, if you roll a hit for every dead model and if they are in command range of the Blutkreuz HQ. The only benefit I see is that the HQ has a flamer and Fast.

Every unit you have taken can be put in a basic platoon with no worries, and they even cost the same amount of points.

Bear in mind that this is my own opinion and I've only played 4 games of warfare so far. Only 2 using all of the rules correctly (I think…).

Regards

Khib Yusa

Khib,

Thanks that makes sense.

Peacekeeper_b said:

A whole platoon??? Not enough. They do require support!

thejughead said:

Only if your faith is weak in the Lawgiven! Ape does not kill Ape!

Peacekeeper_b said:

Nothing more needs to be said.

Peacekeeper_b said:

OMG! that made me laugh out loud!

My Kampaffen Platoon:

1 Section and Markus

2nd Section

Grrr…2nd Again

Hi,

first of all i would switch to the sturm grenadiere platoon. the versatility of their special order is just too good to not take them. also bear in mind that if you put a monkey squad in this platoon you dont even have to utilize the radioman to givem them the blitzkrieg order.

as for cutting down the lists to 250 points: in the first list i wold remove the luther and one combat squad. im not a big fan of the luther to be honest. this comes mostly from the fact that you cant fire the ranged weapons while performing a close combat attack. i feel that then just a single kampfzange isnt enough.

in the second list i would drop the ludwig because with two upgraded battle gren squads you should have enough anti tank.

@khib yusa "Only 2 using all of the rules correctly (I think…)." well… does both of us forgetting to field a squad which we paid for, count as getting the rules right? ^^

regards

alex

Alex,

Thank you for the idea of moving the 4th section over to the Sturmgrenadiere platoon. That opened up some interesting options for me, including adding Manfred. I generally like the Luther for it's 36" range suppression ability.

Dust Warfare - Force Builder
Faction: Axis ( 300 / 300 )

--- Heroes
Manfred (15)

--- "Big M" Markus - Gorillas (96)
Command Section: Markus (24, Hero)
1st Section: Axis Gorillas (24)
2nd Section: Axis Gorillas (24)
3rd Section: Axis Gorillas (24)

--- "Assault" Sturmgrenadiere Platoon (189)
Command Section: Kommandotrupp (25)
1st Section: Battle Grenadiers [upgrade] (20)
2nd Section: Axis Gorillas (24)
3rd Section: Battle Grenadiers (17)
4th Section: Laser Grenadiers (21)
Support: MPW II-A "Luther" (30)
Support: MPW II-B "Ludwig" (40)
Support: Sniper Grenadier Team (12)

I would pair my platoons of Sturmgrenadiere like this:

Kommandtrupp and Upgraded BG

Laser Grenadiers and Luther

Manfred + Battle Grenadiers and Ludwig

The Markus and all the apes would be to the rear until called into action.

To reduce to 250 I would

Remove Manfred 15 + Snipers 12 + 3rd Section Gorillas 24 = 51

Thoughts?

Kuzao said:

I thought Apes can't be given Orders, and even if they can, the Blitzkrieg Order still has to be issued by radio if out of range regardless if the unit is in your platoon or not.

If you want to reduce to 250, I'd cut 2 Apes and the upgrade from the Battle Grenadiers: dust.mainecoon.net/#EkDJuTSVYhmpNPswwz2Z8/A

Maine said:

Page 53, BlutKreuz Ape Special Ability, second bullet point reads…

"The unit can be given Orders in the Command phase as if it were in Command range regardless of its position."

Maine said:

hi, i think you are miss informed there.

the entry for blutkreuz ape on page 53 says: the unit can be given orders in the command phase as if it were in command range regardless of its position". they have to be in the same platoon thou.makes the apes quite able to go of alone. however i tried that once and found that if you dont have anybody to surpress possible targets, the lack of assault means you get shot down before even initiating close combat.

best regards

alex

edit: @maine looks like you type faster then me ^^

Kuzao said:

Some might think I do as well.