If an opponent has a character with a duped attachment on him, and you play "bastard" on the character

Bastard:

"After you play Bastard from your hand, discard all other attachments on attached character.
Attached character gains the Bastard trait, loses a [Power] icon, and cannot have attachments played on it."

Does that character lose both the attachment and the dupe, or just the dupe?

Azraal said:

Just the dupe. Assuming you quoted the card correctly, it's not a constant effect that says along the lines of "Attached character gains 'No attachments except Bastard.'" It's an one time effect that can have attachments saved from it.

Don't be fooled by the "Cannot have attachments played on it.". That only means you cannot play attachments on that character from your hand during Marshaling. You can still ambush attachments or find some other "put into play" effect to get an attachment on the character.

Azraal said:

I stand ready, as always, for ktom to correct me, but I'll venture to say only the dupe must be discarded. Reason being, Bastard has a single "discard all other attachments" effect--and reads "cannot have attachments played on it" (rather than "cannot have attachments not named Bastard attached to it"). So, when you play Bastard, all other attachments are subject to discard, but your opponent can use a gained "discard duplicate to prevent this card from being discarded fromn play" ability on one of them, so the original should remain attached. After that, Bastard does not prohibit pre-existing attachments that survived its discard effect, only new ones being played after.

I could certainly see the interpretation going the other way based on the word "all" but that is less compelling to me given the overall wording of the effect.

I see Bomb slipped in while I was typing and said much the same as I did. Great minds and all that.

Okay thanks

From page 19 of the rulebook:

Duplicates, once they have been played, are not
considered attachments. That is, although they
are attached to a character, they are not affected
by effects that specifically affect attachments.

So, wouldn't this mean that you wouldn't have to discard the duplicate?

Ironburn said:

You are misunderstanding the context of what we state above. We are saying that you may discard the duplicate of the attachment to save the attachment from being discarded from play. Just like discarding the duplicate of a character to save the character from leaving play.

If the character had a dupe when Bastard is played, you are correct that Bastard would not discard the character's dupe.

The question seems to be would the character lose the "Bastard" attachment as well as the duplicate. Clearly "Bastard" doesn't discard itself. And, since the duplicate is not treated as an attachment the duplicate would not be discarded either.

Edit: Ah, duped attachment. Reading comprehension FTW.

Ironburn said:

Lol. After ktom's comment I had to do a double take on the question.

Right, not a duplicate of the character, a duplicate of the attachment on the character.

That'll teach me to wade into something that has already been settled. lol