Folks,

Looking for feedback on how you guys decide on the Dozer Blade special ability when stacked with the Penetrator ruling.

An allied hvy walker with Dozer blade gets an extra die on its armor roll. Penetrator halves the armor roll of its target if it shoots within 24 inches.

So a Konigsluther shoots at a Punisher. It is within 24 inches and in the Punishers front ARC. 4 Hits are rolled. The Dozer makes an Armor roll. Is the armor roll (7 divided by half round up plus 1 for the dozer blade) = 5. Or is the armor roll (7 + 1 for the dozer blade divided by half) = 4.

Thanks guys..

Dozer Blade adds a die to the Armor Roll. Penetrator halves the number of dice rolled in the Armor roll. 4 is the answer in your example, as you need to know how many dice are to be rolled before you can half it. I know there are mathameticians out there who will argue multiplication/division takes place first in order of operations, but I don't think this is a math issue, but an English language one. Official clarification would be good though.

Yeah, there's another thread about this, and the concensus seems to be that dozer blade's additional die roll is part of the armor roll, so you add it first before you divide. It is similar to damage resilient, which you "add first" meaning that phasers also ignore the damage resilience.

It seems to be the concensus and makes sense to me, but hopefully FFG will at somepoint give an official clarification.

Here is the previous discussion on this topic:

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_discusion.asp?efid=253&efcid=6&efidt=650297&efpag=1

Thanks guys. Looks like the old link is pretty divided. I think it is funny as one of the routing guys I play with is in the thread his group supports the half then add argument. We definetly DO NOT! :-)

simpatikool said:

Lim not sure why it's confusing, the rule is pretty clear…

Penatrator weapons, Page 58…

"Enemy vehicles halve the number of dice they use for their Armor roll "

Now, if it said, halve their armor, I'd say it was 5, but it's pretty clear they halve the number of dice they use for their armor roll. Dozer Blade gives them one additional die to roll with their armor roll. It doesn't say roll another die after you make your armor roll and add the result, it says add a die to the roll. It's pretty clear, if you ask me. The reason I want FFG to clarify is to stop the folks who can't grasp this simply because math order of operations is universal, and different from the rules as written clear intent.

* Edit to add - For those who feel this robs the dozer blade of its SA, the counter-argument is if you rule it otherwise, you are robbing Penetrating Weapons SA, and effectively doubling Dozer Blade's SA to 2 dice worth. Penetrate means goes through, and surpasses the armor.

Yep, the answer is 4, because that is what it says. As Shadow4ce said, there should be no debate on this, a heavy walker with dozer uses 8 dice and the rule says to halve the number of dice used… it is obvious.