Hi all,

I have been playing a Greyjoy Discard deck and think I may of been playing Corpse Lake wrong.

It states Response: After a triggered effect discards 1 or more characters….etc.

Now what exactly is a triggered effect?

Which of these would cause corpse lake to trigger:

• Responses (e.g. Bloodthirsty Crew)
• Any Phase (e.g. Iron Fleet Raiders)
• The effects in Drowned Disciple or Wharf Rats?
• Marshalling (e.g. Satin)
• The new Plot card Above the Sorrows

Let me know.

Cheers,

Mooch

(3.6) Triggered Effects

Any effect that a player chooses to execute is considered a "triggered effect." Thus any effect that begins with a "Phase:" or "Response:" is a triggered effect. Also note that playing an event card is thus considered a triggered effect. A "triggered ability" is a triggered effect printed on a card already in play.

I believe all your examples are considered triggered effects.

Note that Bloodthirsty Crew or Desperate Looters is considered 1 triggered effect, so even if multiple characters are discarded from a single triggered effect, you are still only allowed 1 response with Corpse Lake.

Slothgodfather said:

Response, Any Phase, and other phase-name effects (1, 2, and 4 on the list) are triggered effects - pretty much by definition.

But when Drowned Disciple dies, can its controller decide NOT to put it on the bottom of the deck and have opponents discard? When the controller of Wharf Rats wins a challenge, can anyone decide NOT to discard the card? When a plot is revealed, can you choose NOT to resolve its text because it would be inconvenient? No. On all counts. So since these effects happen whether any player wants them to or not, they are passive effects. If they are passive effects, they are not considered triggered effects, so they do not work with Corpse Lake.

oh well, guess i have to rebuild the deck again.

Thanks for the answers.

Mooch

OK, here is a curve ball.

You have a triggered response, e.g. Bloodthirsty Crew, but you also have a passive effect like Motley Crewman (any effect that discards 1 or more cards from an opponent's deck discards an additional card).

Does the additional card discarded count towards Corpse Lake effect?

Mooch

Yes, because Motley Crewman is not the effect doing the actual discarding. It modifies the effect doing the discard, but the extra card is still considered to be discarded by whatever says "discard a card." So in your example, Motley Crewman modifies Bloodthirsty Crew, which does the discarding - just a little more of it.

Or, looking at it another way, if the extra card discarded when you triggered Bloodthirsty Crew didn't count for Corpse Lake, which card would it be, the first or the last?

Motley Crewman is a constant effect that modifies the discard effects - it does not resolve separatly as a passive ability.

So yes, the additional discarded card count toward Corpse Lake effect.

Good to know, thanks again.

Hmm… something someone was arguing over on Agotcards started nagging me.

Essentially, they were claiming that the discard from Iron Fleet Raiders does not allow Corpse Lake to be triggered, due to the discard being a cost in the triggered effect.

I think the relevant rules portion here is:

(3.2) Paying a Cost vs. Triggering an Effect Certain cards refer to "kneel 1 influence to…" or "pay 1 influence to…" In both cases, this is considered paying a cost.Paying a cost with influence is not considered triggering an effect.

For reference:

Iron Fleet Raiders

Any Phase: Discard the top card of your deck to give Iron Fleed Raiders -2 STR until the end of the phase. Only opponents can trigger this effect.

Corpse Lake

Response: After a triggered effect discards 1 or more characters from the top of an opponent's deck, claim 1 power for your House. (Limit 3 times per round.)

Thoughts?

Thoughts : pretty straightforward you're right ^^

The triggered effect is applying the -2 strength to Iron Fleet Raiders. The cost is the discarding of the top of their deck. Therefore Corpse Lake would not be able to Respond to that triggered effect because it in itself did not do the discarding.

Pretend Iron Fleet Raiders ability was canceled by something. The cost is paid(opponent discarded the top of their deck), but the effect is canceled. If it is canceled, then the effect never happened, so Corpse Lake has no Triggered Effect to respond to.

Another example is Motley Crewman with Iron Fleet Raiders. Motley Crewman does not increase the number of cards that need to be discarded to trigger Iron Fleet Raiders ability because it's the cost of the ability, not the effect.

So my thoughts are, in summary, that you're right. :-)

Thanks, thought as much.

Have to say that the FAQ entry for this could be worded to be a bit more elegant and universal… instead of simply concentrating on influence.

Thanks for the clarification ktom. And I hadn't thought of that about the discard being considered a cost for the Raiders. That is good to remember also.

Sorry. Didn't put in the discussion of a card discarded as cost not working with Corpse Lake because we had been through it on this board a few weeks ago. Or at least relatively recently.

ktom said:

Bomb said:

Well Corpse Lake is getting less and less useful the more I come to terms with the triggering effect phrase it uses.

Thanks for the info folks.

Mooch68 said:

Finger Dance
Raiding the Reach
Euron Crow's Eye
The Knight
Training Vessel
Called to Arms
We Take Westeros!
Bloodthirsty Crew
Raiding Fleet
Drowned Fanatic
Harbor Thug
Seaside Urchin
Desperate Looters
Satin
Nightmares in the North
Frostfang Peaks

Still a lot of stuff that works with it!