Hey, so i went to the GCC this past weekend and there was a couple disagreements with the rulings on restrictions of abilities such as "Only playable once per turn" and "Once per turn" rulings. Can i just get a refresher on them?

Questions that popped up are things like:

If my opponent uses Kyoshiro's "F Commit: Draw 5 cards. Only Playable once per game." and i negate it with tag along will he get to try and play it again next turn?

If my opponent negates my Will for the Fight "R: Once per turn, (insert text that lets me draw more than i discard). Playable While commited." can i use it again later that turn?

basically just things like that

Unless im completely wrong, you can't replay either of those abilities...they are played when you pay the cost..if they negate it, you still pay the cost..and have played the ability.

abilities that say "only playable..." have a restriction on the play of the ability - meaning, you have to meet and follow those requirements before the ability is attempted.

in the case of kyoshiro, you will have played the ability once when paying the cost, and the restriction goes into effect. even if negated.

abilities that say "once per..." will only occur once per instance.

in the case of WftF, if it gets negated, it can be played again, and resolve, later. once it has resolved, its effect has occured once, so if you play it again in that same turn, nothing will happen.

GouHadou said:

Just to make sure i understand correctly...and this applies to things like Darkness Blade...

"Only playable once per turn" means if you already played it this turn on a previous attack...you cannot PLAY it (and thus trigger darkness blade)

"Once per" means you could PLAY the ability, and thus trigger darkness blade, but you would not get the "effects" of the played ability.

Correct?

GouHadou said:

Continuous abilities have nothing to do with it.

If it has "playable once per turn" when you want to play the ability you have to check if you have already played it that turn (successfully or not) to see if the conditions to play the ability are met.

If it just has "once per turn" then when you want to play the ability you have to check if it's effects have already happened that turn.

Ahh..makes sense

aslum said:

in both cases you reference "when you want to play the ability you have to check..."

Can someone clarify for me...This seems to contradict what i thought. If "playable once per turn" then you can only PLAY it once per turn...

If, for example, you were to play Kyoshiros "F: Once per turn..." i would think you could PLAY that ability, but the effect would have no effect. Just like playing an ability "add one card from your hand to your momentum" when you dont have any momentum. You can play it, just it doesnt do much, lol.

stamp/clarification please

once more, using your example:

Darkness Blade's E has been played-

-any E ability that is " playable once per" will trigger the DB effect. you may not play those abilities again, since they have been played once.

-any E ability that is "once per" will trigger the DB effect. you play play these abilities again (provided they allow multiple uses, like Jedah), but they will only resolve their own effect once .

Remember...you have played an ability once you have payed its cost. The actual effect of the card doesnt matter unless it says otherwise, you've still played it. If it says 'Only playable once...', if you pay that cost, you have played that ability and thus cant use it again, even if the actual effect gets canceled.

dshaffer said:

*STAMP*

If you use tag along/seal of cessation to negate Kyoshiro's ability, the ability did not resolve, including all texts on the ablity such as the stipulation that it may only be used once per game. Can you explain as to why if it's negated, why you can't play again the following turn.

Maybe for clarification purposes it should be interpreted like this?

kyoshiro

The following ability may only be played (attempted) once per game.

F Commit: Draw 5 cards.

sir_shajir said:

Because the "playable once per game" is still in the ability the next time you try to play it.

If you have an ability that says "F: Post to the forums. Only playable once per turn." when you post to the forums you have to see how many times you've already played the ability. If it was more then none (successful or not) then you can't play the ability again.

On the other hand if an ability says "F: Once per turn, post to the forums." you check if you have posted to the forums, not if you have played the ability.

One wording triggers off playing the ability, one triggers off of successful resolution of the ability.

Tader and Aslum have it correctly.

i am going to "spoil" that this issue (that i have been arguing about for... almost a year and a half now) is going to be cleaned up a bit. due to card space limitation, you won't see an extra line of restrictive text, but expect to see a new form of clarification within the next set or two. hopefully as soon as set 13.