Running an Agenda

By lahomen, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

High Taxes reads: Decree, Condition Attach to your House card. If you are not running an agenda Heavy Taxes gains: 'Players cannot count more than 4 gold during the marshalling phase.'

Aeron Damphair reads: If Aeron Damphair would be killed, instead attach him to your House card as your only agenda with the text: 'Response: After a character is saved, draw 2 cards.'

The term "RUN/RUNNING" is not defined in the Core rules or the FAQ.

The term "run" shows up on the agendas from DOTN. The Stewards reads: You may run any number of The North agendas. You need 2 additional power to win the game. Night's Watch characters you control gain an icon.

Looking at the above cards, the term "running" an agenda seems to refer to choosing an agenda at the start of the game.

Aeron Damphair attaches to my House as an agenda.

My question: If I attach Aeron Damphair to my House, am I "running" an agenda?

In context, if I attach Heavy Taxes and Aeron Damphair to my House card, does Heavy Taxes's text still apply?

jmccarthy said:

High Taxes reads: Decree, Condition Attach to your House card. If you are not running an agenda Heavy Taxes gains: 'Players cannot count more than 4 gold during the marshalling phase.'

Aeron Damphair reads: If Aeron Damphair would be killed, instead attach him to your House card as your only agenda with the text: 'Response: After a character is saved, draw 2 cards.'

The term "RUN/RUNNING" is not defined in the Core rules or the FAQ.

The term "run" shows up on the agendas from DOTN. The Stewards reads: You may run any number of The North agendas. You need 2 additional power to win the game. Night's Watch characters you control gain an icon.

Looking at the above cards, the term "running" an agenda seems to refer to choosing an agenda at the start of the game.

Aeron Damphair attaches to my House as an agenda.

My question: If I attach Aeron Damphair to my House, am I "running" an agenda?

In context, if I attach Heavy Taxes and Aeron Damphair to my House card, does Heavy Taxes's text still apply?

I don't know if this question has ever come up before, so I don't know if there's an official ruling on it.

Given that, my understanding of the game would suggest that you are "running" and agenda at any time that you have one, negating the effect of Heavy Taxes once Aeron (or any other card) becomes an agenda, and regaining should that agenda become another kind of card again (as I believe some of them can).

jmccarthy said:

The term "run" shows up on the agendas from DOTN. The Stewards reads: You may run any number of The North agendas. You need 2 additional power to win the game. Night's Watch characters you control gain an icon.
Looking at the above cards, the term "running" an agenda seems to refer to choosing an agenda at the start of the game.

"You are considered to be running one additional The North agenda."

When you take that into account, it seems pretty clear that the term refers to the agendas you have active at the time. Anyway, "running" (as in "happening right now") would be the entirely wrong verb tense if "running an agenda" was determined at the start of the game - and never checked again.

So yes, if you have one of the character-agendas in your deck, you are not "running" an agenda while it is a character, but you are "running" an agenda while it is attached to your House card.

KristoffStark said:

jmccarthy said:

High Taxes reads: Decree, Condition Attach to your House card. If you are not running an agenda Heavy Taxes gains: 'Players cannot count more than 4 gold during the marshalling phase.'

Aeron Damphair reads: If Aeron Damphair would be killed, instead attach him to your House card as your only agenda with the text: 'Response: After a character is saved, draw 2 cards.'

The term "RUN/RUNNING" is not defined in the Core rules or the FAQ.

The term "run" shows up on the agendas from DOTN. The Stewards reads: You may run any number of The North agendas. You need 2 additional power to win the game. Night's Watch characters you control gain an icon.

Looking at the above cards, the term "running" an agenda seems to refer to choosing an agenda at the start of the game.

Aeron Damphair attaches to my House as an agenda.

My question: If I attach Aeron Damphair to my House, am I "running" an agenda?

In context, if I attach Heavy Taxes and Aeron Damphair to my House card, does Heavy Taxes's text still apply?

I don't know if this question has ever come up before, so I don't know if there's an official ruling on it.

Given that, my understanding of the game would suggest that you are "running" and agenda at any time that you have one, negating the effect of Heavy Taxes once Aeron (or any other card) becomes an agenda, and regaining should that agenda become another kind of card again (as I believe some of them can).

That is my understanding, too. The attachmagenda would just be blank (but still attached) if the charagenda transmutes into an agenda. If you have a real agenda, you could not attempt to attach the charagenda to your house card since there is the restriction. Whereas you could attach the attachmagenda to your house card if you have a real agenda, but it wouldn't do anything.

AGoT DC Meta said:

That is my understanding, too. The attachmagenda would just be blank (but still attached) if the charagenda transmutes into an agenda. If you have a real agenda, you could not attempt to attach the charagenda to your house card since there is the restriction. Whereas you could attach the attachmagenda to your house card if you have a real agenda, but it wouldn't do anything.

I would hesitate to call Heavy Taxes an "attachmagenda" as its text does not specify that it becomes an agenda, and there are cards that reference if you opponent has one or not; whereas the charagendas, like Aeron certainly do count towards those effects.

KristoffStark said:

AGoT DC Meta said:

That is my understanding, too. The attachmagenda would just be blank (but still attached) if the charagenda transmutes into an agenda. If you have a real agenda, you could not attempt to attach the charagenda to your house card since there is the restriction. Whereas you could attach the attachmagenda to your house card if you have a real agenda, but it wouldn't do anything.

I would hesitate to call Heavy Taxes an "attachmagenda" as its text does not specify that it becomes an agenda, and there are cards that reference if you opponent has one or not; whereas the charagendas, like Aeron certainly do count towards those effects.

Heavy Taxes, while attached to your House card, still counts as an attachment, is considered to be "in play" and can be affected by other cards in the game. Damphair, while attached to your House card, does not count as an attached card, is considered to have left play and cannot be affected by other cards in the game. It's a huge difference.

There is nothing "agenda-like" to Heavy Taxes, other than its play restriction (which, btw, if if became an agenda would invalidate itself). So "attachmagenda" is a really misleading term.

Fair enough. I wasn't implying parity by mushing two words together, although I can see if some might perceive it that way. There currently isn't any attachment that transmutes into an agenda, as the "charagendas" do, so I by contrast thought the distinction was understood by my other comments.

~ Yeah, well, that assumes people are going to read the post carefully.

Seriously, though. The distinction is fairly plain to those of us who have been playing for awhile. I didn't think you were trying to say Heavy Taxes was like an agenda. But this board sees a lot of traffic by people who are new and not as versed in the nuances of the game. Just thought it was better to explain the difference.