So it looks like from the spoilers that FFG just obsoleted the Daughter of the Nimrodel with the introduction of a new Gondorian ally that can heal multiple heroes at a slightly slower rate (unless you have the resources to pay for additional uses on the same turn), and for 1 less cost than what the Daughter requires you to spend in resources.

Frankly, I'm kind of surprised that the designers did this, but I'm not disappointed. A cheaper healer is something this game needed, and I am glad the new character still has 1 Willpower for questing. The new ally will slot very nicely with my Bifur/Eowyn/Dunhere deck.

I have no idea why so many people are saying that the Daughter is obsolete. The new healer is simply another option that is better is some situations, but still worse in others. If you have a deck built around Gloin, the daughter is still your best option, because in my experience healing one wound a turn just wouldn't be enough to keep him healthy. Same with a Denethor or Dain defense strategy, even though they have good defense, with many of the bigger enemies healing two wounds is always more helpful. While the new character might be the better option for a Gimli or big ally deck, he doesn't completely replace the higher healing potential of the daughter. Plus, there is always the option of combining the two.

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Sure, you can always combine them if you are in a 3+ player game and running mostly Lore sphere stuff. But my focus is on solo play and I just don't have the slots for it in a 50-card deck.

1 damage on a character doesn't bother me. I'd rather heal 2 separate characters of damage than 1 character of 2 damage. I can't imagine how this card will ever be worse.

It's funny to read this post and then note leptokurt's entry about halfway down the page of topics. Between the two, I am convinced that the Daughter is both obsolete and incredibly good

the thing is though that now Self Preservation is a more attractive option and might get dusted off. You can run this new dude for general healing goodness and now use self preservation for spot healing toons like Gloin. Self Preservation is of course a attachment so immune to the character destruction effects that can plague the daughters. I still think they are a very good card… but I can see this other combo with SelfPres becoming a major alternative and possibly safer way to ensure healing on your main toons in decks with character destruction.

I have to disagree with the OP. DotN is still the Champion of Tentacles, as most of the times you apply all the damage to one hero (=Boromir). Daughter is more flexible than Self Presevation and she is almost unkillable. Some card effects can discard attachments, so Self preservation is more vulnerable than DotN.

The Gondorian healer is of course a viable alternative. He is better in scenarios that include treacheries and shadow effects that hurt all or most of your characters. He's definitely better in Rhosgobel. But DotN will is certainly not out of play.

Not sure about there.. there are many more effects that target characters than attachments so far.. it is much easier to put dmg on the daughter than to discard an attachment.

booored said:

Not if you use her after the combat phase is over. Most of the treachery and shadow card effects are applied to exhausted characters. And from my game experience I can't remember her dying in one of my many (late) games, but I know that I had to discard some attachments. Nonetheless she is more flexible than Self Preservation.

I tried out the new healer in my secrecy deck against TLD, and so far he didn't disappoint. Although I completely forgot about his ability to get ready again. SO far it wasn't necessary anyway, but I fear I will forget it again when I will need it.

leptokurt said:

well yeah, Well yeah.. this is why Self Preservation has been sitting on the shelf gathering dust from the time of release. No one is trying to say anything different. And if your not scrying / healing after the combat phase then you need piloting lessons. All I am saying is that his new healer might open new options to use SP as am alternative.

The fact that he can refresh for 2 resources and the re-heal makes him a slam dunk for me.

Bullroarer Took said:

+1

I've been playing with 2 wardens since I got my AP and it has done everything I expected and more. It's nice to finally be able to heal more than 1 hero at a time. Where it really shines is when a character is 1 point away from death, but you really need to heal a different character at the same time for some reason. Now you can at least pull your hero away from inevitable death and heal the other character at the same time.

His +1 base defense is great too, something the daughter for 1 point more doesn't have/

on a side note whats the artwork like….im dying for some picture spoilers of the long dark…hurry up cardgamedb…

richsabre said:

Daughter looks way better - and is still the better option in most scenarios.

leptokurt said:

with her beauty any descision made by a male (or indeed a female for that matter) is bound to be biased though

The artwork is of a guy who looks very much like Ian McDarmid.