DurinIII said:

definatly one of the most power cards - without a doubt. and i think it will stay that way, its one of the timeless classics

richsabre said:

Yes POL is really powerful. Sometimes i think to much powerful…….. Maybe this card should to have limit like: no more then 4 cards per round.

Glaurung said:

That may be one of the worst ideas for errata ever, lol - don't mess with my game-winner!

Boris_the_Dwarf said:

I use to play previous Lotr card game from Decipher and this errata idea come from this game. From the begining they also have unlimited draw like Lotr lcg( for now) but quickly they understand is too unbalance and create the rule no more then 4 cards you can draw 1 turn.

In my opinion strategy when 1 player in the begin of the game just draw lot of cards with Beravur while other players defend and fight quite unbalanced.

Then Beravur player draw 25 cards in his hand and start to quest and run. This strategy very effect but also very boring! Cose of this i never play Beravur.

But even without Beravur POL is still very powerful.

mmmm…not sure about that- i have to admit, she is my main game winner, along with map maker, steward and dain

i dont think its over powered though

I think Word of command is an insanely cool card (thematically speaking), but we'll need more Istari cards to really be able to use it to full potential. I don't see myself using it with Radagast in my eagle deck, nor do I see myself exhausting Gandalf just to search my deck for a specific card. Way to expensive.

Sneak attack + Gandalf + Word of command is awesome, but that's a 3-card combo.

I hope they'll come up with Tom Bombadil as a new Istari card in the near future

Maniacske said:

i hope not- it would be wrong if they did….see chapter 2 in my links

Narsil0420 said:

um… no… this is tactics sphere. They will (I predict) and probably should always keep tactics heroes like this.

starhawk77 said:

Exactly… extremely powerful

Fetch Spells are always among the most powerful, this one dig in the yard, so there is room to improve.. but still. Anyone not running this in deck with tactics events is missing the point. Defiantly one of the stronger Tactics heroes so far..

Maniacske said:

Tom Bombadil is definitely not Istari. Wouldn't mind seeing Saruman, though.

The scenario itself is ranked as difficulty 7. Got it today, used my old deck (Loragorn, Théodred, Frodo) without any changes and had five easy and one tough wins. So either my deck is that strong or they erred about the diffiulty again. I am somewhat disappointed.

same here. maybe just not for solo.

We also beat the quest in the first run in a 2 player game. Perhaps we were just lucky (no Cave Troll, no Goblin Warlord), but I guess 7 is a bit too high. But I like the quest. The locate mechanic is very nice and fitting, and some player cards (e.g. Elder of the Healers - if that's the proper English title, I'm buying a translated version) are pretty good and especially Words of Command is thematically great! Superb drawing, and the first "Spell" for Istari characters, yippie! And I also liked the drawing of some encounter cards (the titles should be something like "Quiet Grottos" and "Cave Spider").

richsabre said:

Interesting read, but nothing in it that convinces me he couldn't be Istari, at least the possibility is not ruled out. If the Tolkien family would agree to it, why not?

i highly doubt the tolkien family would agree though……..id eat my 3 copies of gandalf if they did

besides bombadils words all point to him being very ancient - at least before sauron, if not melkor- so that puts him well before the 'istari' came about…..fair enough gandalf and the likes existed before in the undying lands as maiar, but the idea of istari only came about to counter act saurons last rise to power

…..i suppose gandalf makes some remarks that could …..such as the moss gatherer and stone rolling…..so he could be a form of wizard set a different task long before the istari came….but this would still not make him an istari

rich

I am pretty sure he won't be Istari. But then what? Probably no trait whatsoever would be most fitting. Now that you mentioned him, he's on top of my wishlist, all for the ol' Tom Bombadilo!

lleimmoen said:

new trait for ally cards - Ask Tolkien

Also there is Saruman, Gandalf, Radagast, Alatar and Pallando… so a few we having seen yet .. and I see no reason we can not use Saruman.. he was a good guy for a very long time.. if the games time line wasn't a broken dogs leg we could argue for or against this.

yeah i wouldnt mind seeing saruman…..i would prefer it if he came with a hefty price for using him

sort of like a one turn 'gandalf' card, only more powerful, but when you play him you have to raise your threat by alot

Fan card from cardboard of the rings, but i think something like this would be awesome.

Going by the previous logic, he shall only be called Saruman…(not the White).

I am puzzled whether he shall make it as an ally but it is certainly one card title that could appear as both an ally and enemy. Well, Gollum has already been an objective, will be enemy soon and hopefully one day an ally also.

I'd love to see a Saruman the White, but I wonder if they will do that as it would limit a big enemy later. Like, how do you make him a player card but not screw over the encounter deck?

I guess those eventual scenarios would all be forced to start Saruman out in the Staging area during setup, making it so you can't even play the player card version right from the start like the Arwens, or something like that.

Or I wonder if cards that are set aside, out of play like the Nazgul of Dol Guldur or the Carrock Trolls count for uniqueness restrictions. For every other card game, I'd say no, but this game for some reason they already established that the out of play Victory Display area can still be interacted with, so I guess that's not too far of a stretch either.

sarumans chief power was words- therefore i think any saurman card should have some nice ability to control enemy cards as player cards or a turn….it would be complex but hey…..it would be worth it

Well, all the scenarios could have a little note: No other copies of Saruman can enter play. Just like the two with Arwen do. I don't find it that much of an obstacle and do not expect to see Saruman as an enemy in more than a handful of quests. Plus he probably would begin the game in the staging area (or out of play) anyways.

Or you can always portray Saruman's evil side as a Treachery of sorts - which would be quite fitting in his case.

I am pretty sure he won't be Istari. But then what? Probably no trait whatsoever would be most fitting. Now that you mentioned him, he's on top of my wishlist, all for the ol' Tom Bombadilo!

How about the trait Tom Bombadil ? It sounds pretty unique and so a pretty good fit for him

Yes. Wow, I do wonder whether they've been scratching their head over him already. He must be a nightmare to design, it has got to be special otherwise people like me will start going crazy (like with the original Glorfindel). But it is easy to make a special thing get too powerful. Poor designers, at least they're draining our wallets dry enough.