Stats based on 2 months of Spanish tournaments (data taken from agotcards.org)

By BBSB12, in 1. AGoT General Discussion

Interesting stats for discussion (though, IMHO they should be considered with care since it seems that Spanish meta is completely different from the US one).

Based on 8 tournaments with 161 total participants (averaging to 20 participants per tournament)

Win percent rate of Houses:

Stark 57%
Martell 53%
Baratheon 52%
Targayen 52%
Lannister 51%
Greyjoy 45%

Win percent rate of Agendas (Agendas not mentioned didn't have enough players, such as White Book/City of Shadows/Night's Watch was played 1 time in 8 tourneys):

Wildings3 69%
Maesters 66%
TPBTT 58%
No agenda 50%
KOTHH 49%
KOTR 49%
Siege 49%
Summer 43%
Winter 40%

PS. High percent of wins for Wildlings is probably related to the fact that it was played by a player who got in top 8/top 4 in most if not all of the tournaments he played independent of a deck.

PPS. TPBTT seems to have different versions with Aioria's one averaging to something like 75% win in 3-4 tourneys (which is mentioned as TPBTT on reports), while the rest of TPBTT decks is spread over averaging down to 58%.

PPPS. And in the end, Maesters are the best agenda even after averaging over about 21 different decks/players. At least for Spanish meta.

Thanks for posting this data.

Yeah - no surprise on the Maester stuff. I still think its too good.

Quick follow-up. Agenda and house popularity (fact that some players played same deck for 2-3 tourneys is not accounted for, hence some decks are counted more than once, which after all what popularity is all about=):

Agenda Choice:

No agenda 33
KOTR 28
Summer 22
Maesters 21
TPBTT 18
KOTHH 14
Siege 11
Wildlings3 8
Winter 3
Nights W 1
Shadows 1
White Book 1

House Choice:

Baratheon 30
Lannister 29
Stark 29
Targaryen 27
Martell 25
Greyjoy 21

Jef, thanks for the link. Started reading it. It indeed changes stats a bit. Have still to figure out how much. Though I can definitely say: Senda del Maestre FTW.=)

Hello, thank you for taking the time to post this information.

Would you happen to have the deck list for Aioria's Lannister PBTT deck, I would be curious to see what build its running.

Thanks

He has two different types of TPBTT builds: one is a noble rush deck and the other one is control orientated. The decklists are not public, though :P

BBSB12 said:

PS. High percent of wins for Wildlings is probably related to the fact that it was played by a player who got in top 8/top 4 in most if not all of the tournaments he played independent of a deck.

Fundamentally, what these agendas say is "Player X has an extremely powerful effect that they shouldn't have. Rather than make it harder for them to win, we'll just make the game take longer." Most of the time, I suspect the only real downside of these agendas is that one might receive a modified win rather than the full point win for victory. Modified wins are still better than losses though. In contrast, the seasons, knights, shadows, Heir, and even PBtT agendas carry real disadvantages. I'm not saying these are all perfect, or even well designed. But at least the negative effect actually affects gameplay more than just the marginal "eh, I better take the chains off my house before all my maesters die."

To be fair, the biggest downside to playing an agenda remains the opportunity cost of not being able to play an alternative agenda. (If I play Targ summer, I can't take advantage of the very appealing maester mechanic.) Also, the wildlings and maester agendas in particular have benefitted the environment a great deal. Maesters have helped more than any other mechanic to provide some parity among house power levels, and wildlings significantly boost aggro build options in a game that is traditionally dominated by control.

Going forward though, I really hope that FFG doesn't print more agendas based around power or "cannot win" effects.

P.S.: Sorry to hijack this thread. Just had a random thought I wanted to share :)

I'd say that it depends on how you get to that agenda balance and what kind of support does agenda get. For example, there are 3 Night Watch agendas which didn't get that many good cards to make them strong enough as a serious build (people will argue that there some around, but we are talking about decks that are consistent, resilient and just plain good). While Wildlings while having same win condition are way more popular.

So balancing of agenda should be more about figuring out which cards to provide it with rather than figuring out what the downside will be. 'cause imagine that in some distance future Lannis get a couple more cards that don't kneel to attack for intrigue other than Cersei and let's say have renown. Agenda will get broken and no wording will save it short of errata.

PS. I'm going to surprise people, but I'm super anti-Agenda guy. If it were for me, I'd ban all of them. Though, while they are not banned I'll play Maester's Path.^____^