This is relevant to how much power can be stolen via Infamous. If power is claimed for an uncontested challenge vs. a player with an opposing title, are the two power claimed as a lump sum or are they two separate power claims?

Khail said:

I am less and less impressed with this card…

I don't know… I've got a Baratheon deck that can have Power challenges with a claim of 3+ fairly regularly.

I'd be pretty miffed if some Lannister ripped off my power.

There are only a few card effects that can claim 3 power(I think only 2), but the idea is you can do a sneak win using this, or keep the opponent from winning sooner. This won't steal the results of POW challenge claim. It will always only take the 1 power for UO challenges.

I think that sometimes it's a misconception as to how much power this can steal since a lot of effects add power to power claim separately.

I'm not entirely certain if there are too many claim X power for your house effects where X can be any variable number based on certain conditions.

Oh! My bad, is specifies claiming power, not moving power, so yeah, Power Challenge claim is safe from it. Nevermind.

I got curious and looked up the cards you mentioned Bomb, "Assertion of Might" and "Make an Example, which would make the use of this card (Infamous ) a very good surprise power grab of your own after your opponent does a surprise power grab.

I also found 5 cards that claim 2 power: High Septon, Martial Law, Superior Claim, The Siege of Winterfell, and Winter Festival

And 1 card that does indeed claim X power: Daven Lannister has the Response: After you win dominance by 4 or more total STR, pay X gold to claim X power for Daven Lannister. X is the number of power currently on Daven Lannister (Limit once per game.)

I do believe though that the Infamous effect does take affect 'after' the power is moved to their house, so it won't stop them from winning if it gets them to their win-condition.

Slothgodfather said:

Yeah, the Daven Lannister one will claim power for him, but not your house. So his ability is safe from the opponent's Infamous. :-)

The Infamous text is "Response: After a player claims 1 or more power for his or her House, move that power to a Lannister character." You do not actually claim power for your house when you take power as a result of a POW challenge. Otherwise, Siege of Winterfell agenda would disallow POW claim. Therefore, Infamous won't work for that case either.

Three examples of possible misleading "claim additional power" claim effects that are actually considered separate effects:

Melisandre(RotO) claiming one additional power for winning UO INT, POW, or for winning Dominance. You play Infamous, you take only 1 power from either UO or this effect.

Rise of the Kraken plot effect of claiming one additional power for winning UO challenges. You play Infamous, you take only 1 power from either UO or this effect.

Minstrel's Muse claiming 3 additional power for when you win dominance. You play infamous, you either take this 3 additional power or you take the 1 normal power from winning dominance. You do not take 4 total power.

What if you give him the House trait? (I'm just kidding.) Anyways, I still think it's a bit odd that you don't considered the modified claim value when taking power with this card. I understand when it's seperate such as UO and an event card effect played during the same challenge. However, when a card like Mel says claim an additional power when you win dominance, it would seem to me you are claiming 2 for dominance. Even so, for the OP question of UO and opposing titles, it does make sense that since they are seperate functions that give power, they would be considered seperate for this card.

Slothgodfather said:

The difference is, the "modified power claim value" is actually done via Passive abilities. That is when the additional power claim happens. It's not done simultaneously as the normal game mechanic. It's also not considered modified power claim because it does not actually replace the power claim game mechanic for those framework events. Otherwise it would say something along the lines of "Instead of claiming 1 power for an unopposed challenge, claim 2 power.". If that were the case, then Infamous would absolutely take both power since they are claimed via the same game mechanic or effect.

See Robert Baratheon(Core). His ability does not modify his renown power claim from 1 to 2. He only claims the additional power once he successfully claims the first power via Renown. And since it is a Response and triggered effect, it can also be more easily canceled.

The only literal difference between Robert Baratheon's ability and Melisandre's here is that one is done in the Passive window and the other is done as a triggered Response. They both say "Claim 1 power one way to claim one additional power." Otherwise, they shouldn't be treated any differently I don't think.

Actually Robert's ability to claim an additional power is a passive, too

Bolzano said:

That's what I get for going off memory and not reviewing the card before talking about it.

That does make a lot more sense now, thank you.

I am in the process of building a Lannister deck for use against my two friends who Baratheon power rush with the extra unopposed intrigue/power/dominance power Mel and Make and Example (claim 3 power) and a Stark deck running Siege of Winterfell. Against that set-up, when I know two power (and occasionally three) will be claimed frequently, Infamous! seems great.

I don't think I'd run Infamous! in a deck that I plan to play in joust (I run a Targ Maester's Path deck centered around burn in joust, and it is terrible in melee, so this Lannister deck is melee focused). In melee I wouldn't run it unless I thought there were some combinations that claim two power at once were going to be fairly common.

In melee, I'd say such occurences (Siege of Winterfell, Make an Example, Superior Claim, Melisandre, Rise of the Kraken…) will be common enough to make Infamous! worthwhile. They already warrant almost automatic inclusion of cancel events (which can be played against your Infamous!, but Infamous also lets you steal power claimed because of non-event effects).