Well, GoT Dabbler isnt working anymore, i'll type the Text of the Card.

The Viper's Revenge

Epic Battle

House Martell only

Plot: After the dominance phase this round, there is an epic phase during which each player may initiate a single intrigue challenge with normal claim.

The winner of each challenge may choose to have all players skip the standing phase this round.

We had a heavy dispute on this card. We were 4 players.

So I played this card during the plot phase. After the dominance phase, the epic phase started. First player couldnt initiate an intrigue challange, due to lack of characters with intrigue icons. 2nd player couldnt initiate an intrigue challenge either. So i startet an intrigue challenge on the first player and won. I said we would skip the standing phase this round.

The 4th player, that little bastard (he will read this ), initiated an intrigue challenge on the first player too and won it.

Then he said, he chooses not to skip the standing phase this round. Is that legal?

So in my opinion, the first player who wins an intrigue challenge has the power to say if the standing phase get skipped or not. Once he decides that it does, all other players after him cannot undo his decision. If he wins the challenge and decides not to skip the standing phase, the next player will have the chance.

In the opinion of my friend, the next player (and obviously always the last) can decides if to skip or not. So he can undo all the decisions before him.

But the card says: the winner of each challenge may choose to have all players skip. It says not: my choos to have all players not skip.

Can anyone explain this card to us and how it really works?

Regards A Martell Fan

You are correct. If one person decides that the standing phase will be skipped, it will be skipped. The fact that the fourth player did NOT choose to have all players skip it is not relevant, as you DID choose to skip it.

The way to look at it is this: his choice does not undo or pre-empt yours. Instead, there are two separate and individual effects that must both be resolved. It's kind of like if a card is killed and discarded at the same time: the First Player may decide which one is resolved first, but they must both resolve (even if one resolves unsuccessfully).

The effects do not cancel out, nor does the last one "pre-empt" the first. Once the phase is skipped, unless something specifically reinstates the phase, it is gone.

illrage said:

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radiskull said:

Ok this is not what i meant. He claims he has the choice either to skip the standing phase or DO NOT to skip the standing phase.

He says, if you have a choice, you must have 2 possibilities. Namly to choose skip or choose dont skip. But i dont think you have this 2nd choice. The card says you only can choose to skip or do nothing. And once a player says skip the thing, all other players after him cant undo his choice. They could only double skip the standing phase (which would make no sense) but nothing else.

Thanks for your answers.

You can choose to modify a game mechanic, but just in one way. You can choose if changing it to "exception" or leave it as it is now (not as it is by default).

It is like if I say "You can choose to kill all characters in play". You can choose to kill them, or to do nothing. You can't choose to bring back to life characters previously killed by a player who had the same choice early before.

It's been answered more clearly by a few other people, but I'll just say that you're right, both in your reasoning and in the correct outcome.