Hey I was just curious if anyone has any kind of official stance on this. Bastard says as its played from its hand, discard all attachments from a attached character. Snakeskin veil says the character is immune to everything under the sun but does that bastard attachment still gank all the attachments? Just curious

my meaning being that since it is targeting attachments not the character itself would it still work?

Immunity on a character doesn't protect its attachments, its power, or anything else that isn't the actual character card. So yeah, Bastard would discard all the attachments.

Now, hypothetically, suppose your character had Snakeskin Veil and an attachment with the text "If this attachment leaves play, kill attached character". Bastard *would* discard both of the attachments, but the Snakeskin Veil would protect the character from being killed by the other attachment.

I don't know if that example helps clarify the situation any, but I thought of it while I was writing this response and I thought I'd share.

Here's what it comes down to:

The Veil makes the character immune, but it is not immune to anything itself. Being immune to card effects doesn't stop you from attaching cards to the character. Bastard, when attached, discard the other attachments - which is an effect that works on the attachments, not the character. Immunity only protects the immune card, not other cards that are associated with it or affect the immune card indirectly. Once the Veil is discarded, you don't have to worry about the immunity anymore.

awesome thanks everyone!

ktom said:

Forgive me as I'm still very new to this game, but:

Since a card that is immune to something cannot be declared as a target of that something, doesn't this limit "effects" that are worded as "choose a character and remove attachments"? Even though the objective of the card is the attachments, since the character is immune to all card "effects", can they still be chosen by this effect? I was thinking along the lines of Initiate of the Citadel.

I also take it to understand that playing an attachement is not considered a "card effect".

Back to the OP, since we've established that Bastard does trump Veil, does anyone have ideas on protecting against it? Perferably proactive since we don't want our other attachements wiped first.

Thanks

-Sloth

Slothgodfather said:

Yes, the character itself cannot be chosen by a card effect, so Initiate of the Citadel cannot be used to remove attachments from the immune character because the immunity prevents the character from being chosen.

This is not the same thing as a card choosing the attachments, or simply discarding the attachments without choosing anything (which is what Bastard does). There really aren't a whole lot of effects that choose the character, then remove the attachments. They just go directly for the attachments.

Slothgodfather said:

Playing any card is not an effect of that card. You are not triggering or activating anything on that card to play it - you are utilizing a game mechanic. Very different.

Slothgodfather said:

One you have all the attachments on the character that you want, use a "put into play" effect to put your own copy of Bastard on the character. (Bastard only discards everything when you play it from your hand.) That's always fun. Or find some other way to make the character "cannot play attachments on this character." For the most part, though, as long as they have the gold, you cannot stop a person from playing a card. Your only hope is somehow make it so that Bastard cannot be attached to your character in the first place.