So, I'm kind of curious.
Why is this card banned while something that has a similar effect (Crown of Meereen) isn't even restricted? Are the restrictions on the attachment the reason why it's ok? (Unique Targ Character Only, having to win a challenge, etc.) Or was it banned because the effect was too powerful?
Am I missing something?
Thanks!
My understanding was that Lanni was infringing on Targ's dominion over attachment control. A dominion as evidenced by such things like Crown of Meereen like you've mentioned.
Now, take a look at the in-house Lanni solution to attachment control that saw print recently. In comparison, Compelled by the Rock is miles beyond Bought and Paid For.
While that may have been true at the time, I really feel like enough houses have infringed on enough other houses' strengths that Compelled by the Rock really shouldn't be banned. Perhaps Restricted if people are worried about the power level, but certainly not banned.
Kennon said:
While that may have been true at the time, I really feel like enough houses have infringed on enough other houses' strengths that Compelled by the Rock really shouldn't be banned. Perhaps Restricted if people are worried about the power level, but certainly not banned.
Isn't that true. I guess no other house has draw and income these days either (*eye roll*). Or there is no good non-Lanni kneeling cards...other than Distraction and Parting Blow of course...
I had a discussion with a designer awhile back (GenCon?) and it was said 'that will never come off the banned list' which I couldn't believe. It isn't that great, even if they ever print attachments that are worth moving.
If designers feel that Compelled by the Rock is too out of place in the joust format I wouldn't mind if they errata'ed it to a melee only card.
We already have a few melee only cards that step on other houses' toes.
Ruvion said:
My understanding was that Lanni was infringing on Targ's dominion over attachment control. A dominion as evidenced by such things like Crown of Meereen like you've mentioned.
Now, take a look at the in-house Lanni solution to attachment control that saw print recently. In comparison, Compelled by the Rock is miles beyond Bought and Paid For.
The thing is, I really can see that. Especially for the card pool available when the card was printed.
But there are so many event cancels now across houses (The Hands Judgement, Paper Shield, He Calls it Thinking, Seasick, Oldtown Advisor, Alannys Greyjoy, Bronze Shield, Dorans game, Finger Dance) and there is mechanic/flavor bleed everywhere. (Honestly, if you changed the picture of "A Game of Cyvasse" to Tyrion playing and changed the "House Martell Only" to "House Lannister Only" the card would fit better mechanically and still be Nedly)
I just honestly can't see why this is a "Banned" card these days when there are so many cards that are more powerful and not even restricted.
I think the idea is that with Compelled By The Rock, Lanni had a cheap, virtually universal, easy, "in-House" answer to pretty much everything. Character, location, and attachment control. I didn't get the feeling that it was about "flavor" or "mechanic" so much as the designers didn't want Lanni to be able to do everything easily. They didn't want it to be so easy to make a Lanni "toolbox."
They also said somewhere way back when as well that with the LCG they wanted most of the effects of that nature to be more conditional. Win a challenge and then... or Challenges: If it is Summer, then pay gold equal to the cost and then move. etc
Remember that first cycle of Chapter packs was actually designed for the old CCG format before it became an LCG and those cards were designed to fit into a whole different environment. Nor is that card the only banned card from that cycle, and if the restricted list hadn't been created we'd still have a 3rd banned card from the cycle I am quite sure.
I was told that it was pretty much all of the above. It was more efficient attachment control than what the attachment house was capable of doing and removed any weaknesses from Lannister.
The card isn''t broken, it is just wrong. Similar to how for a VERY long time the best revenge card in the game was also in House Lannister in the form of A Lannister Pays His Debts. We have an entire House centered around making people pay for when that House loses a challenge and by far and away the best card belonged to another House.
Compelled by the Rock was an aberration and it was removed because of that. As such I don''t see it coming back… that said they have said or at least implied that when sets get reprinted banned cards get a makeover, so at some point, hypothetically, Lannister will get additional attachment control, but it will be tweaked to be less efficient, or more fitting to how they do things.