Hi.

I've got somehow confused reasoning about abilities, effects and cancels. I'll put at the end of the post the wording for cards cited in examples.

According to Legacy FAQ 7.1, what I understand is:

- An ability is an effect on a cards already in play (3.7)

- When you trigger something out-of-play , is considered an effect , but not an ability, even if it's on a character (3.13)

- Playing an event is considered triggering an effect (3.6)

So, the Queen of Thorns may cancel the effect of an event, of a Heir and of House Tyrell Bannemen. Cersei Lannister may cancel none of these, right?

Moreover, an event that is canceled is put into discard pile, right?

What happens to a deathbound event who has been canceled ? I think it goes to the dead pile , because "effects that are canceled are still considered to have been played" (3.4) and "event cards that have the deathbound keyword are placed in the dead pile only after being played from hand" (4.8). It doesn't say successfully played.

And what happens when a Heir or House Tyrell Bannermen triggered effects are canceled? Do they just stay whey they are? The Heir in the dead pile and the Bannermen in hand? So, having enough influence, a canceled Bannermen could be re-activate immediately after being canceled? Or a canceled Bannermen goes to the discard pile?

Thank you

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Cersei Lannister (WE): "Response: kneel Cersei Lannister and kneel 1 influence to cancel the effect of a character ability. Then [bla bla bla]"

Queen of Thorns (AHoT): "Response: kneel The Queen of Thorns to cancel a triggered effect."

Generic Heir (WE): "[bla, bla, bla]. Dominance: kneel 3 influence to return Generic Heir from your dead play to play."

House Tyrell Bannermen (AHoT): "Challenges: kneel 3 influence or kneel a Noble character to put House Tyrell Bannermen into play from your hand. Then [bla bla bla]"

You must have inherited a huge box of CCG cards.

Ikaros said:

Hello there, welcome to the game!

Yes, the Queen of Thorns could cancel any of those things.

The Cersei would not be able to.

Yes, cancelled Events go into the discard pile.

It was actually ruled that Deathbound is a bit of an exception to that. The Deathbound keyword on Events is considered part of the Event's effect, so cancelling the event also cancels Deathbound, sending the card into your discard.

If the effect bringing House Tyrell Bannermen into play is cancelled, it would stay in your hand (Same with Heir in dead pile). Note however that the cost remains payed, so the 3 Influence or Noble character would still be knelt.

Yes, if you had more Influence/Nobles/whatever, you could just trigger the effect again.

Ikaros said:

From the Core Set rules (p.20):

Event cards with the Deathbound keyword are
placed in the dead pile only after they are successfully
played from their owner’s hand. If
the effects of an event with the “Deathbound”
keyword are canceled, that event is placed in its
owner’s discard pile.

KristoffStark said:

KristoffStark said:

Ok, sorry, I missed that line about deathbound

And yes, I know quite well what Cersei can do

In my defense, I can say that I was reading FAQ 7.1 (ch. 4.8), where that part is completely missing..

Bomb said:

Yes! Where I live there is such a small meta-game that we cannot afford to loose all CCG era cards. We have our very particular house rules system It's almost a communist society.

Ikaros said:

In my defense, I can say that I was reading FAQ 7.1 (ch. 4.8), where that part is completely missing..

Ikaros said:

Sounds similar to my meta.

KristoffStark said:

I don't know if I'm going off topic too much... but:

We put all of our cards together. We all own all the cards from everybody. Everybody can make decks using all these cards, as long as the majority of people agree on what he plans to do. We do not try to build powerful decks. We try to build as much as different kind of decks we can. Too much powerful decks are willfully weakened. Every decks then is owned by everybody. Everybody uses at random any deck build. We have more than 40 different decks, that use all of the mechanic out there we could think of. Many of them are ridiculously weak. We made a softare program that randomly extracts decks and assign them to players. It's not completely random, tough, because it knows sinergies and weaknesses of decks and try to build up a balanced game (we use to play 2 vs 2)