If you draw a gate burst mythos card, but there is no seal to burst, do all flying monsters necessarily move? In other words, what counts as a gate burst: simply drawing a mythos card with an orange background, or removing an elder sign as a result of drawing such a card?

Just Drawing the Gate Burst makes all flyers move. Its even in its own sentence in the rules!

MrsGamura said:

Agreed. It is not the gate burst per se that causes the fliers to move, it is just the random distribution of red cards int he mythos decks to get the sky clear again.

Okay, thanks. I personally find the wording in the rules to be ambiguous, since it also says "a gate burst works the same as a normal mythos card, unless the listed gate location has an elder sign token on it..." So on the one hand, it's a "gate burst" no matter what, but on the other hand gate burst cards work "the same as a normal mythos card" in most cases.

Am I correct in assuming that just drawing the gate burst card doesn't just automatically move flying monsters immediately? That is, you still have to wait until the "monsters move" portion of the Mythos phase--and even then, if the flying monster's symbol does come up, that means it only moves once?

Tibs said:

You only move monsters when you get to the "move monster phase." It should be treated as all monster symbols are on the card for flying monsters. In otherwords, they only move once even if their symbol is already there.

I treat them as moving just drawing the Gate Burst card, so flyers could move twice with on Mythos card!

"Additionally, whenever a gate burst is drawn ,.." DH rules pg. 6

What's been boggling me is the one sentence at the end of the gate burst explanation that says, "Also, this does not cause a monster surge."

So, like, gate burst cards don't cause monster surges on already open gates? Cause that's how I interpret it.

Yes that confused me too but I think it there just to tell you this only causes a monster surge if there is already a Gate there. Similar to Gloria Goldberg's ability that has the part that it doesn't work in Arkham.

MrsGamura said:

That's not correct. The "additionally" part refers to it being an effect to fliers in addition to the effect for the sealed location.

The complete quote is this:

• Additionally, whenever a gate burst is drawn, all flying monsters move , regardless of their dimensional symbol.

If their dimensional symbol is already on the card, they move anyway. If it is not, treat it like it is. But you don't double up on it. There are not two phases to move creatures here. The directions do not say to move it once as normal and then move all fliers again.

Kriiztos said:

If there is already a gate, they Gate Bursts acts like a normal mythos card 100%.

This sentance is only further describing the events when an elder sign is in the location. It is just clarifying what should be an obvious fact: monster surges don't happen when a gate opens.

They may have felt the need to clarify this since 2 of the 4 GOOs in this set have actions dependent on surges.

ColtsFan76 said:

With the execption of moving flying monsters, presumably.

And then there's the question of whether Flying Monsters move every turn while Atlach Nacha is in the house.

-Frank

ColtsFan76 said:

I sounds like to me just the act of drawing the Gate Burst makes all flyers move, "... IS DRAWN ...", If it was the other way not why wait to say something about them moving during the movement part of the Mythos card?

from the AO...

"Power: Web Between Worlds - While Atlach-Nacha stirs in his slumber, all gate openings are gate bursts. In addition, all Mystic cards are discarded without their special effects taking place."

from the KH rules pg.10 ...

"...all Mythos cards should be treated as if their gate location box was colored red ."

Seems like all Flyers will move.

MrsGamura said:

I sounds like to me just the act of drawing the Gate Burst makes all flyers move, "... IS DRAWN ...", If it was the other way not why wait to say something about them moving during the movement part of the Mythos card.

from the AO...

"Power: Web Between Worlds - While Atlach-Nacha stirs in his slumber, all gate openings are gate bursts. In addition, all Mystic cards are discarded without their special effects taking place."

If that were the case, then why did the rules include the clause about the monster's symbol being irrelevant to it moving, if it was just supposed to move immediately, before the Monsters Move phase? Clearly drawing a Gate Burst card is not supposed to move all flying monsters immediately , allowing those whose symbols are on the monster movement part of the mythos card to move twice. I don't think this is what the rules say at all.

I agree with you that each Mythos card showing a gate location is going to move flying monsters though.

The mythos card resolution order has not been changed by Dunwich and the subsequent Gate Burst cards.

• You still resolve opening the gate first. Except now, if it has a seal, you remove the seal, open the gate, but do not place a doom token.
• You still place a Clue token. Except now, it is typically 2 clues instead of 1.
• You still move all monsters. Except now, flying monsters that weren't already moving, now move as well.
• You still resolve the special text.

The question is, does the gate burst cause the monsters to fly (as ina thematic purpose) or just the fact that the red cards add some randomization to get fliers moving (as in a mechanical purpose)? I realize it is the act of drawing the card, and not resolving the gate burst per se, that cause the monsters to move. I am trying to understand designer intent.

With Dunwich, it didn't matter because the result of either was that fliers move. But now comes along Kingsport with A-N and the special ability of all mythos cards are gate bursts. From a thematic sense, does this mean A-N causes all fliers to be constantly on the move? I'd be interested in hearing the answer.

As the rules are written, all cards are treated like they are Red cards. So the mere act of drawing them should send all fliers moving. Seems clear enough. I am just curious what the designer intent was behond this.

I'm going to got out on a limb and say if a Mythos card doesn't have a Gate then is doesn't count as a Gate burst but then again I'm weird like that

MrsGamura said:

I would agree. How can you have a gate burst if there's no possibility for a gate? After all, a "gate location" can't be red if there's no gate location. This would provide the rare instance where flying monsters would not move.