If I lose a challenge as the defender on a turn I have Twist of Fate revealed, and I activate Double Bluff, who chooses the claim effect?

Thanks guys.

Rave said:

You have to play Double Bluff after defenders are declared but before the challenge resolves. Since Twist of fate states that is resolves after a player wins a challenge, that will resolve after Double Bluff.

Yes. Twist of Fate's choice will always come after Double Bluff's choice.

To be honest, you'll be wasting your Double Bluff in every situation involving the two cards because:

1. If A attacks B, who has Twist of Fate revealed, it would be a waste for A to play Double Bluff because B's plot will give them the same choice that their own event provides.
2. If A attacks B, who has Twist of Fate revealed, it would be a waste for B to play Double Bluff because A will have the same choice from B's own plot regardless of what happens with Double Bluff.

The plot doesn't matter while its controller is attacking. and (of course), both the plot and the event mean nothing if the defender wins because there is no claim effect for the challenge.

So for all practical purposes, the plot trumps the event.

Twist of fate replaces a "normal" claim effect?

So, can a Military claim be the normal claim effect of an Intrigue challenge?

I guess yes, "normal" meaning "that would be resolved if not replaced by an effect".

Bolzano said:

If Double Bluff has changed the challenge effects or a replacement effect like Pyat Pree has kicked in, that is the current "normal" claim effect for the challenge - and is replaced by Twist of Fate.

In short, yes, a military claim can be the "normal" claim effect for a specific challenge that was initiated as an intrigue challenge, assuming the rule-defined claim effect for challenges initiated as intrigue challenges has already been modified/replaced.

If you hit me with a military challenge using Robb Stark and I have twist of fate out, you can turn that claim into intrigue claim, so I discard cards. But it was a military challenge, so you can still trigger Robb's ability.

Mathias Fricot said:

What about effects that look for characters killed for military claim (Deadly Khalasar, Rickard Karstark) or cards discarded for intrigue claim (House Dayne Reserves, Breaking and Entering)? Do the challenge type and claim type have to match for them to work?

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Khudzlin said:

Said another way, if I declare a military challenge and Double Bluff or Twist of Fate shifts the claim effect so that cards are discarded from your hand, those cards will be killed for military claim. Because it's a military challenge. If it were intrigue claim, it could be argued that it was an intrigue challenge, which means I could declare a military challenge since I haven't had one yet.

Remember how the FAQ talks about the fact that if a card has a "when this card is killed, put it in the discard pile instead" replacement effect you Respond to the card being killed rather than to the card being discarded? It's the same thing here. No matter how the claim effect actually resolves, it is considered to have been "military claim," "intrigue claim," or "power claim" depending on the type of challenge that was initiated by the attacker.

So, when Pyat is involved, characters can be killed for intrigue claim. When Spidercraft is involved, cards can be discarded from your hand for power claim. So if Double Bluff is used to discard cards from your hand instead of killing characters when a military challenge is won, and one of those cards is House Dayne Reserves, it would not go into play because it was discarded from your hand for military claim, not for intrigue claim as is required by the card text.

I'd like to point out that Deadly Khalasar and House Dayne Reserves are worded somewhat differently. House Dayne Reserves reads "discarded from your hand for the claim of an I challenge", while Deadly Khalasar reads "killed for M claim". The former is quite clearly about the challenge type as initiated, the latter, not so much (the equivalent would be "killed for the claim of a M challenge").