There is a question about this card:

If I win a challenge with Dornish Diplomat can I stand a standing character controled by the losing player?

If I stand a standing character controled by the losing player , can I do the then part: stand a character I control?

Thx

Do X then Do Y. The X must resolve successfully in order to Y. Because the X doesn't specifically tell you to stand a kneeling character, I would think that standing an already standing character would be ok to satisfy X, then you may move to Y.

Almost, but not quite. Standing the standing character is ok to try, but it will not satisfy "X," so you will not be allowed to move on to "Y."

Because you are not limited to choosing a character that is kneeling for the "stand a character controlled by an opponent," you may do so. However, if the chosen character does NOT go from kneeling to standing, it is not considered to stand successfully. In short, while it is legal to attempt to stand a standing character (or kneel a kneeling character, for that matter), the attempt fails. You cannot bring someone to the party if they are already there, so to speak.

Since the "stand a character controlled by an opponent" part is not successful, you are not allowed to initiate the "then choose and stand a character you control" part.

Thanks! I think so too. The text do not contain: a kneeling character.

But I wanna an official answer from FFG to persuade my opponents.

Thanks to Ktom

I'll find some example for your answer then I'll come back again

I'm back, so quickly.

As you told me, Can you tell me when an effect force me to kneel or stand a character, can I just kneel a kneeling char or stand a standing char?

I think the answer is yes

then let's look at this card: A Game of Cyvasse

Each player must choose and kneel a character with a int icon he or she controls,if able. then,.....

If my opp use this, I choose to kneel a kneeling character. Just like you told me, the 'then part' can not going on right?

Tiny White 2 said:

Choosing valid targets is what you need to trigger most effects.

See several other effects where it has conditions for a target to be valid. There are some that specifically state that the condition is something like "choose to stand a kneeling character" or "choose and kneel a standing character". Then you'll see ones that have "choose and kneel a character" or "choose and stand a character". This only denotes valid targets, not that choosing valid targets will allow the effect to resolve successfully.

See Ser Gregor Clegane from Lions of the Rock:

While Ser Gregor Clegane is kneeling, he gains: " Any Phase: Kneel 2 influence to choose and kill a kneeling character with STR 2 or lower. Then, stand Ser Gregor Clegane."

Now, a valid target is a kneeling character with STR 2 or lower. So, let's say there is a target for this effect. I kneel the 2 Influence and choose that character. That character is saved by discarding a dupe. Because the character was not killed, I cannot stand Ser Gregor Clegane.

Now compare it to the effect you have in question. Stand a character controlled by the opponent. A character is the only condition of the target for the effect. If you select one that is already Standing and try to Stand it, it will not successfully stand because in order to do that successfully and stand your own character, they must have been kneeling. Just like Ser Gregor Clegane's ability, he must successfully kill the targeted character in order for him to stand.

Tiny White 2 said:

Basically if you choose a kneeling character for this example, their strength won't count as one you can use to compare with the other opponents because you did not successfully kneel the chosen character.

While Ser Gregor Clegane is kneeling, he gains: " Any Phase: Kneel 2 influence to choose and kill a kneeling character with STR 2 or lower. Then, stand Ser Gregor Clegane."

See the first part: while Ser Gregor Clegane is kneeling

So it is so clearly you can not do the others while he is standing

It's just not the same questioin I think

Bomb & KTOM, thanks for your answer

I think I understood the question

Tiny White 2 said:

Ignore that part. That is a condition he needs to have in order to gain his ability. The ability is all that I'm speaking of.

Tiny White 2 said:

However, in the rest of the effect, where it talks about comparing the STR of the characters that were knelt, any player who did not successfully kneel a character will have nothing to compare. So while you can choose and kneel a character that is already kneeling, if you do, you will never be the person who gets to choose a character to be returned to hand.