Champions Cycle Impressions - Poll

By WWDrakey, in 1. AGoT General Discussion

Okay, since A Poisoned Spear is pretty much out and we've concluded the Champions cycle, I think it's about time I made another Poll on the matter. Without further ado (feel free to explain your answers in depth):

General Questions:

  1. Which House or Houses got all the love?
  2. Which House or Houses got the shortest stick?
  3. Did you like the two new keywords? (Joust and Melee)
  4. Do you lke the direction that the game has develop in this CP set?
  5. Are you more or less hyped about the next CP set, than you were about this one? Why?

Card Awards and Medals [Optional - Feel free to nominate any/all/none]:

  • Sansa Award (Worst card in the set)
  • Balerion Award (Best card in the set)
  • Ned Award (Most thematic card in the set)
  • Shagga Award (Card with the most jaw-dropping effect in the set)
  • Renly Award (Card with the best art in the series)
  • Hot Pie Medal (Granted to an adorable but utterly useless card)
  • Jaime Medal (Granted to a very efficient card that ends up ultimately being hated)
  • Kettleback Medal (Granted to a card that was greatly hyped, but ultimately had very little impact)
  • Tyene Medal (Granted to a seemingly innocent, but very deadly card)
  • Euron Medal (Most controversial card in the set)

For reference, the two Polls for previous CP cycles are here: Brotherhood and Maesters .

1 - Greyjoy
2 - Baratheon
3 - Yes although I think Melee is misapplied in a few cases. Whilst very good on a few cards like Melee Bob or The Greatjon, certain cards like the Sparr or Dagos Manwoody should've received 2 (or 3) Strength instead of 1 Strength + Melee.
4 - Yes, I like Melee games although I think a few subthemes were misapplied. Melee House attachments were generally weak, recursion is over-valued and the Warhorses should've provided some attachment protection given their Joust and attack requirement. The emphasis on unique characters was nice but strangely absent in some cases. Ex no Wildling uniques.
5 - Yes although I don't hate neutrals as some do. A sprinkling of appropriate neutrals should be part of the game.

Sansa Award - SANSA STARK WILL CRUSH YOU ALL.
Champion Arises Award (for Worst Card) - A Champion Arises
Balerion Award - Asha Greyjoy
Ned Award - Lyanna Stark
Shagga Award - Theon Greyjoy
Renly Award - Secret Alliance
Hot Pie Medal - Arianne's Conspirators
Jaime Medal - Alannys Greyjoy
Kettleback Medal - Satin
Tyene Medal - Dothraki Stallion (until Killer of the Wounded gets nerfed)
Euron Medal - Myrcella Lannister

Which House or Houses got all the love?
Greyjoy, They got plenty of cards that finaly fleshed out the scattered themes in this house.


Which House or Houses got the shortest stick?
Baratheon, so many bad cards in this set.


Did you like the two new keywords? (Joust and Melee)
I liked the keywords, but felt that they weren't used enough. Hopefully they will keep on printing these keywords.


Do you lke the direction that the game has develop in this CP set?
The Power creep seems somewhat scary and the melee attachments were just yuck. I kind of like how this wasn't a neutral theme, but the execution of the keywords and melee cards could have been better.


Are you more or less hyped about the next CP set, than you were about this one? Why?
Again next hyped as I don't liek too many neutrals and this set has none :) also like the fact that we'll see some great characters from the newest book.

Card Awards and Medals [Optional - Feel free to nominate any/all/none]:
Sansa Award (Worst card in the set)
Drowned crewman. I don't feel he adds anything to the melee (you cannot choke well enough and even if you could you are painting the biggest target to your head as no-one like income denial). Only way I can see him being played is that H crest, but then again he is an ally and has the worst H crest icon.

Balerion Award (Best card in the set)
I'm thinking between Newly made lord and Meera Reed, I think I will pick Meera this time.


Ned Award (Most thematic card in the set)
Lyanna Stark, just pure nedly card :)

Shagga Award (Card with the most jaw-dropping effect in the set)
A house divided, this event just seemed so strong (and well it still is)

Renly Award (Card with the best art in the series)
Corpse lake, like the colours in it.


Hot Pie Medal (Granted to an adorable but utterly useless card)
Shyra errol looks cute, but hasn't done anything yet.


Jaime Medal (Granted to a very efficient card that ends up ultimately being hated)
Heard most amoung of hate from The Scourge.


Kettleback Medal (Granted to a card that was greatly hyped, but ultimately had very little impact)
Have to go with captain of the iron fleet, much talk, but hasn't effected anything yet as much as it would have seemed.


Tyene Medal (Granted to a seemingly innocent, but very deadly card)
Satin, can't figure out anything else and this only thanks to the combo it creates.


Euron Medal (Most controversial card in the set)
Myrcella lannister.

Here are my thoughts.

General Questions:

  1. Which House or Houses got all the love?
    Targ- Targ has enough knights to do the Knight agenda now... and all of the knights are great. They also got Daario, Meraxes, and Sorrowful man. This set has been a huge boost to the house.
  2. Which House or Houses got the shortest stick?
    Baratheon- Fiery Kiss is excellent. Every other card doesn't seem to be that useful overall.
  3. Did you like the two new keywords? (Joust and Melee)
    Joust doesn't seem to have the impact now that it once did. Maybe because it's just tied to each individual character. Melee has surprised me in its usefulness.
  4. Do you lke the direction that the game has develop in this CP set?
    Giving a little meat to the melee format was definitely a good idea. I'm more psyched to play Melee for sure. That being said, I hope there are very few melee-only cards in the sets to come, but IIRC that was one of the themes of this cycle.
  5. Are you more or less hyped about the next CP set, than you were about this one? Why?
    No. Because now I have to finish the last book ASAP. :P

Card Awards and Medals [Optional - Feel free to nominate any/all/none]:

  • Sansa Award (Worst card in the set)
    Highgarden Destrier- Why you would ever want to replace the claim on a power challenge (besides like... the first turn) is beyond me. Especially in Baratheon.
  • Balerion Award (Best card in the set)
    Newly Made Lord- Best awesome-to-cost ratio I could find. There were a lot of great ones in this set though.
  • Ned Award (Most thematic card in the set)
    Across the Summer Sea- Let the westerosi fight it out while you build your army across the sea.
  • Shagga Award (Card with the most jaw-dropping effect in the set)
    The Red Viper- Incredibly wordy and frightening. Watch as he spends his 6 gold to ruin your field.
  • Renly Award (Card with the best art in the series)
    Jorah Mormont- I love this card. Jorah is not John Lithgow, he is a badass.
  • Hot Pie Medal (Granted to an adorable but utterly useless card)
    Bought and Paid for- Wow! Lannister got it's very own attachment removal :P Diet attachment removal at best.
  • Jaime Medal (Granted to a very efficient card that ends up ultimately being hated)
    Varys- The friendship destroying card.
  • Kettleback Medal (Granted to a card that was greatly hyped, but ultimately had very little impact)
    Satin- Even at his best kind of a gimmick, but now we'll never know.
  • Tyene Medal (Granted to a seemingly innocent, but very deadly card)
    House Clegane Outlaw- Statistically broken. The 1 power is negligible if you pull him in setup, and not a big deal later. Also, no bad traits. Imagine I'm You Writ Small on this guy... a 4 str tri-con for 1 gold...
  • Euron Medal (Most controversial card in the set)
    Myrcella- Fairly obvious choice I think.

Which House or Houses got all the love? Greyjoy and Targ.

Which House or Houses got the shortest stick? Baratheon though they got some love in the FAQ

Did you like the two new keywords? (Joust and Melee) They haven't made a huge impact to be honest.

Do you lke the direction that the game has develop in this CP set? Not really. I don't play as much melee as joust just because it's more convenient to play joust, so the melee only cards aren't as exciting. It doesn't help that many of them are crappy even in melee.

Are you more or less hyped about the next CP set, than you were about this one? Why? More hyped. I like the look of the new locations that allow cheaper OOH cards and traits. They'll open up many new deck options.

Sansa Award (Worst card in the set): Storm's End Tourney Grounds. One Bara character has joust. Even then the effect is... meh. Especially compared to the other Tourney grounds.

Balerion Award (Best card in the set): Meera Reed. Just an amazing card that works against anything (apart from the Viper).

Shagga Award (Card with the most jaw-dropping effect in the set): A Nest of Vipers/Dorea Sand. Makes the Sand Snake combo explosive.

Alando said:

Did you like the two new keywords? (Joust and Melee) They haven't made a huge impact to be honest.

I apologize for picking on this, but The Knight with Joust keyword is HUGE with the Scouting Vessel. I think Joust is a much more impacting keyword than Melee. Melee can more easily be overcome.

Bomb said:

Alando said:

Did you like the two new keywords? (Joust and Melee) They haven't made a huge impact to be honest.

I apologize for picking on this, but The Knight with Joust keyword is HUGE with the Scouting Vessel. I think Joust is a much more impacting keyword than Melee. Melee can more easily be overcome.

One so-so combo (~a guaranteed unopposed challenge for 2 cards and 6 gold...weeeee!) doesn't make a keyword.

I have to agree that neither were very fleshed out, would have been nice for the Tourney Grounds to be a bit more fleshed out, along with some more cards with the actual keywords on them. But I understand the hesitance considering Joust was pretty broken at one point (luckily, Melee has always sucked).

Overall I liked the cycle. It wasn't as concentrated on a faction (BH, Maesters) so it didn't just hit you over the head with a theme. Fairly solid cards, albeit with only a few real 'bomb' cards. I agree with the posts above - Targ and GJ got the most, Bara got the least (again, I agree they got the most out of the FAQ), but Bara is hard to give really strong cards to (not as hard...to support some themes like Holy that are just above average now).

Which House or Houses got all the love?

-Greyjoy, especially for Melee the new Euron with Corpse lake and Fishmongers Square is potent, also they got Asha and Theon and The Knight just a really solid cycle for them both in joust and melee

Which House or Houses got the shortest stick?

-Baratheon without a doubt so many sub par cards and so much potential for a new melee deck type,

Did you like the two new keywords? (Joust and Melee)

-really did like the addition of them but i think cards with joust should have bigger rewards for using the joust mechanic

Do you lke the direction that the game has develop in this CP set?

-Melee is amazing and a good melee game can be nonstop action so any attempt to increase the melee aspect of the game will be happily received by me, even if most of the house attachments were crap like the stark one the greyjoy one is pretty solid

Are you more or less hyped about the next CP set, than you were about this one? Why?

-less hyped, i was really excited for some melee love and got spoiled by the idea that each month one of my friends houses would be playing around with something new and melee specific

  • Sansa Award (Worst card in the set > In The Name of the King or Highgarden Destrier
  • Balerion Award (Best card in the set > Euron Crows Eye or Harrenhal
  • Ned Award (Most thematic card in the set) > Lyanna Stark
  • Shagga Award (Card with the most jaw-dropping effect in the set) > Meera Reed
  • Renly Award (Card with the best art in the series) > Oath of Fealty
  • Hot Pie Medal (Granted to an adorable but utterly useless card) > Champions Favour
  • Jaime Medal (Granted to a very efficient card that ends up ultimately being hated) > Varys
  • Kettleback Medal (Granted to a card that was greatly hyped, but ultimately had very little impact) > Satin
  • Tyene Medal (Granted to a seemingly innocent, but very deadly card) > Corpse Lake
  • Euron Medal (Most controversial card in the set) > Satin or Myrcella

First of all, sorry if i don't remember the names of the cards (agotcard.org is on migration).

General Questions:

Which House or Houses got all the love?

Targ, Greyjoy (sorrowful tilted the balance to targ though)

Which House or Houses got the shortest stick?

Bara

Did you like the two new keywords? (Joust and Melee)

Yeah, i leke them. They haven't made a huge impact in my meta, but a few characters can win games with them.

Do you lke the direction that the game has develop in this CP set?

Sure, like how a lot of the old mechanics got something.

Are you more or less hyped about the next CP set, than you were about this one? Why?

More. I'm a bara player so any cycle that has more than 1 excelent card for them gets me hyped.....and there haven't been any bara spoilers so yeah, very curious about what this cycle will bring

Card Awards and Medals [Optional - Feel free to nominate any/all/none]:

  • Sansa Award (Worst card in the set) Highgarden Destrier, the plot in the final CP (not the targ one)
  • Balerion Award (Best card in the set) Sorrow.. men. This will be huge since it cannot be easily canceled, and you can avoid the ooh penalty with the shadow agenda.
  • Ned Award (Most thematic card in the set) I liked the Melee Bob for this.....not very useful for his price though.
  • Shagga Award (Card with the most jaw-dropping effect in the set) I almost put Tyrion...Lions came just in the middle of this cycle xD....i'll go with Dorea & Nest....love those effect, separately and toghether.
  • Renly Award (Card with the best art in the series) Shyra Errol
  • Hot Pie Medal (Granted to an adorable but utterly useless card) The warhammer....i really want to use it, its Roberts hammer, but its really useless
  • Jaime Medal (Granted to a very efficient card that ends up ultimately being hated) Meera
  • Kettleback Medal (Granted to a card that was greatly hyped, but ultimately had very little impact) Poisoned Spear (haven't seen it in action, but i don't think it really adds to Martel as a whole...they already control the hell out of characters) or First Ranger (at least until there are better nightwatch)
  • Tyene Medal (Granted to a seemingly innocent, but very deadly card) The lanni ally knight that kneels for every triggered kneel. This is my favorite so far being on the oposite side of its effect, really nasty. It's easely disposable, reason why it is seemingly innocent, but his effect can ruin a lot of people in melee. Just get him and flogged and chain and you kneel 4 chars....multiply him and flogged.....and the number of characters knelt are crazy. Just yesterday a friend knelt like 12 characters with 2 effects (distraction and castelan)!!!!!
  • Euron Medal (Most controversial card in the set) Not really myrcella...since the controversy is GG. I think Satin and the errata that eventually was made to robert but asked for Satin was a greater controversy....nobody asked for myrcella to be errated or banned.

Cheers

General Questions:

Which House or Houses got all the love?: Greyjoy. They got a huge amount of support for cancel, a it for choke, and some uber-characters that go in any deck (e.g. New Asha, Theon). Closely followed by Targ: Proper Targ Draw, some good Knights, amazing 3 cost Tricons, plenty of spport by burn.


Which House or Houses got the shortest stick? Bara. Bara got some sweet cards (New Knight of Flowers and FIery kiss), but pretty much everythnig else has been lackluster. Stark also didn't do that well out of it: It got a few good cards (especially Meera and the stuff later in the cycle), but a lot of the Stark Stuff is fairly boring outside of melee. Karstark and the Greatjon were both fairly dissapointing.


Did you like the two new keywords
? (Joust and Melee): Yes, I think they add a very interseting element to the game, and puts an emphasis on high strength characters and less on weenie spam.


Do you lke the direction that the game has develop in this CP set? : From a mechanics point of view, yes: I like joust and melee, that and I enjoyed the support given o older cylces - e.g. Meera Reed for shadows. I also enojyed the reduced emphasis on neutral themes and an emphasis on the strengths and weaknesses of the houses. I don't like it from a balance point o view though, some houses just seem to get all the love, while other houses get barely anything.


Are you more or less hyped about the next CP set,
than you were about this one? Why?: I'm equally hyped about the mechanics: A new cylce of plots, and the character agendas seem fun, and the no neutral stuff looks pretty promising. I'm less interested in the stuff beyond the narrow sea though -to me AGOT is always about the intrigue between the hosues in Westeros, and not about Dany's silly machiniations in the EAst. I'm also concerned that some of the "affiliations" can be very tenuous.

Card Awards and Medals

Sansa Award (Worst card in the set): A Champion Arises. It's a lot of effort for very little reward. Highgarden destrier is bad card advantage after 2 power challenges, but it's still card advantage.
Balerion Award (Best card in the set) : As a Starkie, I'm going to have to give this to Meera Reed. Otherwise, Asha Grejoy.
Ned Award (Most thematic card in the set) : Lyanna Stark. The best part of her is she's still actually a decent card that most Shaggas and Jaimes will use.
Shagga Award (Card with the most jaw-dropping effect in the set): Meera Reed or The Red Viper.
Renly Award (Card with the best art in the series): Jaime Lannister or the Red Viper.
Hot Pie Medal (Granted to an adorable but utterly useless card ): The melee house card attachmets with the exception of the Iron Price, which *Could* be usable. Otherwise, Last River. -1 STR sounds SO exciting.....
Jaime Medal (Granted to a very efficient card that ends up ultimately being hated): The Scourge. Possibly Meera. I wanted to hit my opponent when he made me an xtra card a turn....
Kettleback Medal (Granted to a card that was greatly hyped, but ultimately had very little impact): A Nest of Vipers and Dorea Sand. Oh yeah, everyone was going on about sand snakes being the next big thing. Nobody would ever actually play it if they 1. wanted to win or 2. wanted to have fun.
Tyene Medal (Granted to a seemingly innocent, but very deadly card): Satin, pre-fat Bob errata. Milling out an entire deck sure sounds likefun..... post-errata, corpse lake.

Euron Medal (Most controversial card in the set): Myrcella. Printing a 2 cost Martell Noble when Ghatson Grey was all the rage? yeah.....

Can you explain Asha as the worst card? I'm a little confused.

I put her in the wrong Category. Fixed it now.

General Questions:

Which House or Houses got all the love?
Greyjoy absolutely got the best support. Pretty much every pack this cycle had at least two absolutely incredible Greyjoy cards. The additions greatly expanded both the House's Noble base (I've been playing Greyjoy Noble rush very successful since Theon and Asha came out), and finally made raiding important. Targ and Martell also got a lot of great cards.
Which House or Houses got the shortest stick?
Baratheon. As other have said, they got one or two great cards this cycle. Fiery Kiss is obviously awesome. Knight of Flowers is alright, I like that he's Noble, but KL Knight of Flowers still seems so much better. **** near everything else they got this cycle was pretty crappy, although I do like the new Holy card they just got, Dragonstone Convert.
Did you like the two new keywords? (Joust and Melee)
Yes, although neither has been a major game-changer. I like Melee more than Joust. Joust seems nice in combination with Scouting Vessel, or when you can put a Tourney Lance on someone ridiculous, Orell the Eagle or Drogo's Horde, otherwise I haven't seen much need to use it.
Do you lke the direction that the game has develop in this CP set?
On the whole yes. The two houses I play most are Greyjoy and Baratheon, so this cycle has been a bit of a mixed bag for me. My Greyjoy decks have absolutely adored all the incredible cards that have been coming out for the house, while there's been little to get excited for in my Baratheon decks. In theory I like the idea of emphasizing melee abilities more, but I think FFG dropped the ball on a lot of them. The dual-house events and the attachments and that awful new Greyjoy Holy card Drowned Crewman, those don't work well I think. I much prefer things like Quentyn's Guard, which is a good card but ramps up considerably in melee, or the title manipulation effects like Myrcella and I Fight To Win.
Are you more or less hyped about the next CP set, than you were about this one? Why?
I'm very optimistic about the next set, though we've seen so little of it so far it's still hard to know what to expect. Most of what we've seen spoiled has been Targaryen or Martell cards, houses I don't play much. Fingers crossed that they keep putting out strong Greyjoy cards and that they finally get their act together on Baratheon. I'm also hoping we see more under-used traits and themes get support. More Boltons!
Sansa Award (Worst card in the set)
Sansa is awesome. Stop hating on Sansa. Sansa will ground Westeros beneath her boot.
In all seriousness, that god **** Drowned Crewman. I love the Holy crest, and I would love FFG to give us more, and that one is just atrocious. Maybe it's not the worst card objectively, but for me it's the one I'm maddest at.
Balerion Award (Best card in the set)
Meera Reed. That **** is bananas.
Ned Award (Most thematic card in the set)
Lyanna is beautifully designed. It's very rare that a card's abilities and effects fit so perfectly their character.
Shagga Award (Card with the most jaw-dropping effect in the set)
Dorea and A Nest of Vipers were both pretty insane. That was an astonishing turn-around for Sand Snakes, from a ho-hum, practically joke archetype to a competitive combo deck.
Renly Award (Card with the best art in the series)
Knight of Flowers. Why aren't more people voting for this? It's flipping insane how pretty this card is. I used it as my desktop for quite a while.
Hot Pie Medal (Granted to an adorable but utterly useless card)
Dreadfort Outrider. It's cute to have Melee and Joust together, and I definitely want more Bolton cards, but jesus, who cares about this guy?
Jaime Medal (Granted to a very efficient card that ends up ultimately being hated)
Meera. Still bananas.
Kettleback Medal (Granted to a card that was greatly hyped, but ultimately had very little impact)
First Snow of Winter doesn't seem to have had the impact I expected, at least among who I play with.
Tyene Medal (Granted to a seemingly innocent, but very deadly card)
Jaime seemed like it was written off as a so-so by a lot of people, but a friend of mine has proved that he can be insanely effective.
Euron Medal (Most controversial card in the set)
Any and all cheap Nobles given to Martell.

General Questions:
Which House or Houses got all the love?

Targ, we got 4 cards way more efficient that any other one seen before in the house. Jorah, Daario, Meereen Tourney Grounds and Meraxes.

Stark and Greyjoy got some cool toys to pley with.


Which House or Houses got the shortest stick?

Lannister and Baratheon, as usual.


Did you like the two new keywords? (Joust and Melee)

Yeah, they weren't used too much, but almost all jousters are good cards, and Melee is more powerful than it seems.


Do you lke the direction that the game has develop in this CP set?

The game hasn't changed a lot with this cycle, most of the cards works along past mechanics, but this is cool, no wasted cards in boring neutral themes, like Wildings, Brotherhood or Maesters.

Card Awards and Medals [Optional - Feel free to nominate any/all/none]:
Sansa Award (Worst card in the set) : Bara tourney grounds.
Balerion Award (Best card in the set): Meereen Tourney Ground.
Ned Award (Most thematic card in the set): Lyanna missed a Stark/Targ dual affiliation, so I pick The Red Viper.
Shagga Award (Card with the most jaw-dropping effect in the set): Corpse Lake. Just wow!
Renly Award (Card with the best art in the series): Lots of nice art in this cycle. Meraxes, Loras, Vendor of Venoms, Dragonstone Convert...
Hot Pie Medal (Granted to an adorable but utterly useless card): Sorrowful men.
Jaime Medal (Granted to a very efficient card that ends up ultimately being hated): Meereen Tourney Grounds, best Targ card ever.
Kettleback Medal (Granted to a card that was greatly hyped, but ultimately had very little impact): I'd go with First Snow of Winter, but almost every card is hyped so I tend to ignore it all around.
Tyene Medal (Granted to a seemingly innocent, but very deadly card): A house divided.
Euron Medal (Most controversial card in the set) : Meera, man, how many rules questions has she started alone?

Which House or Houses got all the love?

- Greyjoy, Martell and Targ are the obvious choices. I 'll leave Martell out, since they were already top - tier and the current cycle just solidified their position. Now, between Targ and Greyjoy, I haven't decided yet. Time will tell.

Which House or Houses got the shortest stick?

- Easily the Baratheon. Fiery Kiss is great, the new Knight of Flowers is very good, though most will still use the KL one and The Painted Table is, theoretically at least, overrated. The rest are rather mediocre, especially in comparison to the love the other houses got.

Did you like the two new keywords? (Joust and Melee)

- Yes. New keywords suggest more tactics in the process. The Melee is very strong in itself, while the Joust leaves the opportunity for interesting combos, especially out of the Martell.

Do you lke the direction that the game has develop in this CP set?

- I haven't played melee yet, which most claim it's better than joust, so I cannot comment on it. Other than that, my feelings are mixed; Targ, the house I play and love, were empowered significantly, which is a really good thing. Martell, my secondary house, got many great cards in this set as well. But, since there's always a "but", I 'm really concerned with the direction the game is taking. First the Maesters cycle and now this. It's becoming like MtG. So many broken cards... FFG should chill down a little bit.

Are you more or less hyped about the next CP set, than you were about this one? Why?

- Continuing the above, I 'm reserved. Young Griff is perfect and, coupled with the Sorrowful Man and the great burn cards Targ got in the Champions cycle, Shadow Burn decks are bound to become a dominant force in the environment, but there really is no need half of every CP to be comprised of godly cards.

Sansa Award (Worst card in the set > Cannot tell yet.
Balerion Award (Best card in the set > Cannot tell yet.
Ned Award (Most thematic card in the set) > Lyanna Stark
Shagga Award (Card with the most jaw-dropping effect in the set) > Cannot tell yet.
Renly Award (Card with the best art in the series) > Knight of Flowers
Hot Pie Medal (Granted to an adorable but utterly useless card) > Cannot tell yet.

Jaime Medal (Granted to a very efficient card that ends up ultimately being hated) > Cannot tell yet.
Kettleback Medal (Granted to a card that was greatly hyped, but ultimately had very little impact) > Cannot tell yet. Probably Myrcella after the GG errata.

Tyene Medal (Granted to a seemingly innocent, but very deadly card) > Cannot tell yet.
Euron Medal (Most controversial card in the set) > Myrcella Lannister

Serazu said:

I haven't played melee yet, which most claim it's better than joust, so I cannot comment on it.

Not to derail the thread, but this is not my experience at all. I don't know anyone personally who prefers Melee to Joust. Among the online community, as far as I can see, there is a small minority who do, but generally the more involved player base that tends to be over-represented on the forums gravitates strongly towards joust IMO. Things might be a bit different with casual players who play with the Core Set alone, but it is a stretch to say that "most" claim melee to be better than joust.

Which House or Houses got all the love?
Greyjoy, Targ


Which House or Houses got the shortest stick?
Baratheon


Did you like the two new keywords? (Joust and Melee)
I like them, though the focus on those two in the cycle was weaker than initially hoped.


Do you lke the direction that the game has develop in this CP set?
Yes, more power to the people :)


Are you more or less hyped about the next CP set, than you were about this one? Why?
I'm excited to see the new cycle and the strenght of the new group of plot cards.

Card Awards and Medals [Optional - Feel free to nominate any/all/none]:

Sansa Award (Worst card in the set) - In the Name of the King
Balerion Award (Best card in the set) - Flea Bottom
Ned Award (Most thematic card in the set) - Lyanna Stark
Shagga Award (Card with the most jaw-dropping effect in the set) - Ser Barristan Selmy
Renly Award (Card with the best art in the series) - Red Viper
Hot Pie Medal (Granted to an adorable but utterly useless card) - Shyrra Errol
Jaime Medal (Granted to a very efficient card that ends up ultimately being hated) - The Scourge
Kettleback Medal (Granted to a card that was greatly hyped, but ultimately had very little impact) - Satin
Tyene Medal (Granted to a seemingly innocent, but very deadly card) - The First Snow of Winter
Euron Medal (Most controversial card in the set) - Myrcella

1. Most houses got really useful cards, but I think House Targaryen got the best, since it has now a much wider range of options when it comes to deckbuilding.

2. No real surprise here, House Baratheon got no love at all in the whole 6 months of this cycle. A couple of good cards (maybe even 3) in 6 CPs is definitely not on par with the treatment all the other houses got.

3. Yes and no, I found they don't have such a great impact, but there are a few very good cards using them, and I bet they will become increasingly significant.

4. When compared to the horrors of Secrets of Oldtown, I can only say I approve this new direction. Less neutral crap, more focus on the six houses.

5. Some of the spoilers are really interesting, and I hope the new cards will open new options for all the houses... I hope it won't result in out-of-house cards in every single deck though.

Sansa Award: A Champion Arises - I mean, cmon... what the hell is that?

Balerion Award: A House Divided - my choice stems from a simple fact: I've been using it 3x in every single Lannister deck I played in the last months. Amazingly useful, maybe even too much, considering how easy is to play.

Ned Award: Lyanna Stark - nice art, very good card, and an important character in the history of the books.

Shagga Award: Queen's Guard - I hate melee, but this card made me build a deck just to test it out... and boy, it's incredibly powerful. Pure nonsense.

Renly Award: Knight of Flowers - incidentally one of the few good cards H.B. got this cycle... the art is really impressive.

Hot Pie Medal: a hard one, almost all melee cards are horrible...

Jaime Medal: A House Divided - I play it, but I hate it, especially when I'm on the wrong end of it. lengua.gif

Since there is a ruling that sorrow men doesn't kill your char if you choos to pay 1g (even if you don't have it) i have to change the best card award.......mmm, i'll pick the brimstone. By itself in melee it's pretty good, but what makes it the best, for me, is how it makes other cards better.

For example add The brimstone to The Scourge / Doran / or Maiden of poison and you can seriously hurt people.....add to this cards hellholt engineer to stand the scourge if they try anything by kneeling locations and it's worse.......and the best part in melee (since The power behind the throne is the new shiny thing) is that you can use their intrigue to other people to take their icons. Also, Quentyn guard is also very good in melee (yesterday we played a 5 houses melee....it costed 1G!!!!!! that was so sweet, especialy because i hadn't noticed and was thinking how to play the two i had in hand with 3g xD)

Haha yeah, that's how I felt last night when I read that too, PP. Don't suppose we'll see it fixed to work 'as intended' (making some assumptions with that statement, I admit.)

Rat derailed the thread, melee is the game of thrones, joust is tame

but seriously i think every single person who answered the questions said that Baratheon got the shortest stick, its not really surprising that there is such a consensus about which house got hosed this cycle, but the designers definitely try to balance a cycle so how did baratheion end up with so many disappointing cards?

jack merridew said:

...i think every single person who answered the questions said that Baratheon got the shortest stick, its not really surprising that there is such a consensus about which house got hosed this cycle, but the designers definitely try to balance a cycle so how did baratheion end up with so many disappointing cards?

I'm trying to look at this in a positive light, especially since I've been doing well with a rush deck recently - Bara didnt necessarily get bad cards, Fiery Kiss and Knight of Flowers are both good, the debate about Painted Table still rages, the new Robert could be useful... but I still prefer the old KoF and Core Robert, so yea I guess Bara got screwed even if TLS is playable again. Bara cards from SoO were even worse and we haven't seen any Bara spoilers for the next cycle so maybe Bara will be getting lots of love.

General Questions:

  1. Which House or Houses got all the love? Targaryen and Greyjoy got a great push-up in this cycle.
  2. Which House or Houses got the shortest stick? Baratheon.
  3. Did you like the two new keywords? (Joust and Melee) Yes, a lot. Joust is very thematic and melee is very strong.
  4. Do you lke the direction that the game has develop in this CP set? I LOVE the direction the game is taking. I am in favour of encouraging the use of unique characters; after all they are the main part of the story. And it's always more thematic being ripped off by Jaime Lannister instead of <insert random non-unique guy here>.
  5. Are you more or less hyped about the next CP set, than you were about this one? Why? I'm really excited about the new cycle because I want to see in it the continuation of a great work and it'll be very original as it'll be based on what happens across the sea.

Card Awards and Medals [Optional - Feel free to nominate any/all/none]:

  • Sansa Award (Worst card in the set) I can only think of the Baratheon horse right now.
  • Balerion Award (Best card in the set) Meera Reed.
  • Ned Award (Most thematic card in the set) The red viper (he is SOOO Martell).
  • Shagga Award (Card with the most jaw-dropping effect in the set) Satin.
  • Renly Award (Card with the best art in the series) The red viper, though it's hard to take only one as the art has been great in this cycle.
  • Hot Pie Medal (Granted to an adorable but utterly useless card) Shyra Errol.
  • Jaime Medal (Granted to a very efficient card that ends up ultimately being hated) Meereen tourney grounds, awesome!
  • Kettleback Medal (Granted to a card that was greatly hyped, but ultimately had very little impact) Sorrowful man (even if its text was written as intended I have tried them and realized they were not so great).
  • Tyene Medal (Granted to a seemingly innocent, but very deadly card) A house divided, very strong event.
  • Euron Medal (Most controversial card in the set) Myrcella Lannister hand down :D

General Questions:

Which House or Houses got all the love? Targaryen and Greyjoy.

Which House or Houses got the shortest stick? Baratheon.

Did you like the two new keywords? (Joust and Melee) Yes. Although they were definately under-utilized and at least Melee was a bit badly balanced.

Do you lke the direction that the game has develop in this CP set? Better than where we were for the last set... the power creep is getting a bit worisome (especially on cheap locations), but otherwise yes.

Are you more or less hyped about the next CP set, than you were about this one? Why?

Well, I was quite hyped for this set, hoping for some interesting Joust mechanics to materialize for Baratheon (at least)... What came out was quite dissapointing in that regard. Also starting to get a bit wary of how large the difference is between how a set is marketed and what it contains.

Remember how Learned support was supposed to materialize in the last set? Yeah... And I don't remember 'unique power-locations' being a theme for this one... I guess it's just the small size of the expansions, which doesn't allow the themes to be fully fleshed unless every single card in the set is related to that theme.

I guess that's a "No". Since I'm definately more reserved this time around. Even though the new set looks interesting.

Card Awards and Medals [Optional - Feel free to nominate any/all/none]:

  • Sansa Award (Worst card in the set) Arianne's Conspirators. I just can't think of a deck where I would want to pay 4 gold for *that*. At least the events bad events are mostly free...
  • Balerion Award (Best card in the set) Newly Made Lord
  • Ned Award (Most thematic card in the set) Across the Summer Sea
  • Shagga Award (Card with the most jaw-dropping effect in the set) I Fight to Win.
  • Renly Award (Card with the best art in the series) Corpse Lake
  • Hot Pie Medal (Granted to an adorable but utterly useless card) Warhammer. Eh...
  • Jaime Medal (Granted to a very efficient card that ends up ultimately being hated) Meera
  • Kettleback Medal (Granted to a card that was greatly hyped, but ultimately had very little impact) Captain of the Iron Fleet
  • Tyene Medal (Granted to a seemingly innocent, but very deadly card) A House Divided
  • Euron Medal (Most controversial card in the set) Meera Reed