Moritat reaper and gear

By PnPgamer, in Dark Heresy Rules Questions

This question occurred to me: Moritat is prohibited of using anything non-blade, right?

Thus he/she cannot use primitivelike stink bombs, bolas nor anything else offensive non-blade items?

is this the right way to do it or am I overreading moritat?

As I play one, our group take is I will not use a non-edged weapon, unless no options, and I can make the roll to use them. Same thing with more modern weapons.

To that note, I have created for my PC a set of Combat Boots, so I can always kick u in a pinch.

www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_discusion.asp

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PnPgamer said:

This question occurred to me: Moritat is prohibited of using anything non-blade, right? Thus he/she cannot use primitivelike stink bombs, bolas nor anything else offensive non-blade items? is this the right way to do it or am I overreading moritat?

The Moritat entry states things pretty clearly under the 'The Bloody Edge' trait:

The Moritat disdain many modern weapons as crude and spiritually unfulfilling, preferring instead the sacred edge of the blade. As a result, they must pass a Hard (-20) Willpower Test to use any weapon lacking an 'edge' in combat (thrown blades, knives and arrows are fine) unless they obviously have no chance of harming their enemy otherwise.

Now, by my reckoning, certain items which may/not be viewed as weapons (such as the primitive smoke/stink bombs you mentioned) would be acceptable if they were not used to kill the subject, but merely to 'soften it up', so to speak. This might also include stuff like bolas (a great way to hold up a target, especially if you wanted to interrogate them before finishing the task with a sacred blade), hallucinogenic grenades, poison-applicators (affixed to blades), etc. - anything that isn't meant so much as a direct attack as much as a distraction, at least when used by a Moritat assassin in the field, seems reasonable to me.

And of course, if put in circumstances where they wont have a chance to kill the enemy otherwise, I would deem it acceptable for them to utilize weaponry outside the cult's area of focus - say, a Moritat on the deck of a speeder fleeing a Carnifex being 'permitted' by his code to use the speeder's weapons systems to defend the craft.

The real point of the cult's focus (I think) is more to avoid a Moritat operative grabbing up a plasma pistol/power sword and unleashing on the enemy; and one can assume that any Moritat that uses the Willpower Test option more than once or twice in their career may be expected to prove their allegiance to the cult's focus when it comes time to prove themselves as a Moritat (such as when the time comes for them to become a Reaper).

If I was so well trained with blade as an moritat assassin and have to choose: blade or "primitivelike stink bombs or bolas" to harm an enemy I would always choose a blade cause I'm confident in it and well trained to kill with it, so I dont think moritat should use mentioned weapons instead of blade without -20 WP test. It's like giving a ninja machine gun. He doesn't need it to kill somebody and probably won't use it, cuase he was trained to kill with his weapons like blades and prefers them.

I've discussed this with my GM, and he allows me to at least use bolas and poisonous caltrops(from IH)

Bolas don't harm the enemy at all, it only entangles... which means a lot of bonuses when I charge the enemy with my blades :)

the caltrops are really hard to find so I haven't gotten them yet.

as ranged weapon I use a composite bow with arrows, and I get my moritat tearing quality onto the arrows :)

our basic rule is "needs to be primitive, and if it does damage, it needs to be rending"

BINGO on the rules

anything else requires a roll to use

I have a Bow, never have used it

Don't forget to get throwing blades

Check out the composite bow, it has accurate and gets up to 2d10 extra damage. It's the best ranged weapon for moritat (at least from core and IH books)
I've thought about getting throwing knives with mono, but then again, I also though about getting something more more stronger, throwing spears, javelins or something.

by the way, in the weapon tables it says that javelin and vibe spear get strength into their damage. This is cool, but all thrown weapons should get strength by standard rules from core rulebook. Is this a mistake?

raffalin said:

If I was so well trained with blade as an moritat assassin and have to choose: blade or "primitivelike stink bombs or bolas" to harm an enemy I would always choose a blade cause I'm confident in it and well trained to kill with it, so I dont think moritat should use mentioned weapons instead of blade without -20 WP test. It's like giving a ninja machine gun. He doesn't need it to kill somebody and probably won't use it, cuase he was trained to kill with his weapons like blades and prefers them.

Actually, ninja would kill someone with whatever weapons they had on hand. This would range from cheap knives to poison to farming equipment. If you gave a ninja a machine gun, he'd use it.

Moritat are not ninja, because they're bound by the cult's tenants and laws. On the other hand, only the kill has to be done with a blade; stink bombs and bolas are designed to incapacitate, not kill. I don't believe the Moritat should be forced to roll Willpower if he's using a non-lethal weapon like a stink bomb; he's obviously using the bomb so he can more easily stab someone. The problem becomes even worse when trying to take someone alive for interrogation/hostages.

How does the problem become worse?

Cymbel said:

How does the problem become worse?

Have you ever tried to knock someone out with a sword? Using the sharp end, because the flat is a -20 WP test?

Boss Gitsmasha said:

raffalin said:

The problem becomes even worse when trying to take someone alive for interrogation/hostages.

Wait we take people Alive on Purpose?cool.gif

Well. what do you think the shock sword is for?

Cymbel said:

Well. what do you think the shock sword is for?

Shock sword? Try garrote. The garrote can inflict Fatigue instead of wounds damage, and the weapon description specifically mentions that the Moritat consider it the last and most intimate martial art taught to its members.

So two weapons that are good at it, more if you count some of the other more obscure weapons.