Okay, say we've got a 5 player game going on here.

I am playing Stark, and this round I played the Plot card "I Fight to Win," and have Master of Whispers and Master of Coin.

My opponents have Hand of the King, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, Crown Regent, and Master of Laws.

I have in play Arya Stark:

Response : After you win a challenge in which Arya Stark attacked alone, each opponent with a Title that opposes your Title must also satisfy the claim of that challenge, if able.

I also have Rickard Karstark:

Rickard Karstark does not kneel to attack during [Military] challenges.
If you are not running an agenda, Rickard Karstark gains: " Response : After 1 or more of an opponent's characters are killed for [Military] claim, Rickard Karstark claims 1 power."

Due to bad planning, or bad luck, the Lord Commander player has no military characters, and it's my turn for challenges.

I declare a military challenge against the Lord Commander player and kneel just Arya Stark as an attacker.

I win. Now, I activate Arya's response, forcing both the Master of Laws player and the Hand of the King player to also fulfill claim (but not the Crown Regent player because although I Oppose them, they do not Oppose me).

This gives me three separate triggers for Rickard's ability, and he claims three power.

Assuming I'm remember the Oppose and Support relationships correctly (as I'm doing this from memory), am I reading Rickard's ability correctly? It says "an opponent's characters," and they are each "an opponent" of mine, yes?

You are reading that correctly. Opponent's character means any opponent. Supporting and opposing means nothing in that regard.

Do me a favor and explain how you were able to trigger Rickard Karstark's ability 3 times in the outlined scenario above? It sounds to me like you could only do this 2 times because only 2 opponents were able to kill characters using your MIL claim, no?

EDIT:

I misread your post. The Lord COmmander of the Kingsguard opponent simply had no characters they could use in a MIL challenge, but had characters to kill still.

Bomb said:

Sorry, I could have been clearer about that. Yes assume that he has at least one character in play, just not one who could defend the challenge.

Sorry guys. I'm going to have to disagree with you here.

Rickard's Response says "after one or more of an opponent's characters are killed for military claim ...". I think the fact that it specifies "one or more" makes "opponent's characters" less important than "military claim." Even with Arya in the mix here, there is only one military claim effect resolving - even though it is being fulfilled by many players. So the fact that Rickard also specifies "one or more," the focus for this Response is being placed on the resolving military claim.

Look at it this way: no matter how many of your opponent's characters die for a single military claim, you can only trigger Rickard once for the resolving claim before you hit the "one Response per trigger" rule, right? So it really shouldn't matter how many of your opponent's characters, no matter which opponent controls them, die for a single military claim, either. I think in the situation you describe, the single military claim encompasses all of the characters controlled by all of the opponents that die in its "one or more" language. That means you can only trigger Rickard one time for the one military claim, regardless of the Arya interaction. (It's similar to the Starfall - multple

Rickard's power isn't in combination with cards like Arya. It's the fact that he works in military challenges that do not involve his controller at all. For example, if #1 controls Rickard, and #2 wins a military challenge against #3, #1 can trigger Rickard.

I believe the response opportunity is not specific to one Military claim, but the killing of characters due to military claim of a single opponent. If more than one opponent can fulfill the MIL claim, then each opponent's killing of their characters opens up such a response opportunity. "An opponent" defines a singular entity being that of one opponent. Now, if the effect said "After one or more opponent's characters are killed..." then I completely agree with you ktom.

In addition to the above, Arya's ability is a Response. Is it not triggered during the Response step? If so, then it's definitely a separate response window since it can be triggered after Karstark's Response. That being said, it can be argued to not be a Claim kill effect at all but that is not up to me to decide.

I actually find such a combination of Karstark and Arya to be quite clever if it is pulled it off assuming it can be.

Bomb said:

But that fact actually makes the answer to the question much simpler. The characters controlled by the opposing title holders are being killed by a card effect, not a claim effect. As you point out, the Response step is well after the claim effect is resolved. You are quite correct, then, that the Response is a separate effect, but it is not actually the claim effect it is mimicking. It is the Response effect, referring to the challenge's claim effect to know how to resolve - but it is the Response that resolves. It is sort of like copying a character ability with an event. The character ability is telling you what to do, but it is the event effect that is actually doing it (very important for immunity).

So, since the other opponent's characters are killed by Arya's Response, not by the actual claim of the resolving challenge, Rickard does not apply.

Bomb said:

Awesome. :-) Glad that made it all much easier.

ktom, I'm afraid that I must disagree on a couple of points here.
The first is that I cannot see the characters as being killed by Arya's ability. Were that the case, Immunities would take effect. I argue strongly that they don't because it is not the ability that is killing them, but their controllers. The ability targets players, not characters. A character with Immunity to Triggered Effects, or Opponent's Character Abilities, or anything like that, can still be chosen to satisfy military claim, and that is what this ability creates.
You say that it is not the actual claim effect... I ask why not? An effect that causes you to draw cards isn't re-creating the Draw Phase, true, but it is drawing cards, and can be reacted to as such.
This effect causes a player to kill characters to satisfy claim, which is precisely what Rickard responds to.
I think the "one or more" on Rickard just stops you from triggering it for every character killed by a single opponent, but "an opponent" would create a new trigger to respond to for each opponent that kills a character to satisfy claim.

If Rickard's ability said "...to satisfy claim following a resolved military challenge" I'd agree with you. But it doesn't, it just says "killed for military claim."
I see where you're coming from, but I just can't agree at this point.

KristoffStark said:

KristoffStark said:

And yes, that means that since it is Arya's effect that is resolving, characters immune to her ability could not be chosen. Her ability affects players (it does not target them; they are not "chosen"), who then have to choose characters to die by her ability - if it is a military challenge. Immune characters cannot be chosen. This is an old, old, point about immunity. If you have an event that says "Choose a player. That player must choose and kill a character he controls." and the only character the chosen player has out is immune to events, the event would have no effect. Choosing the player before choosing the character does not get around immunity. When it comes to immunity, you always look at what is being chosen, not who is doing the choosing. It all has to do with the way things are worded. That's why "that player cannot declare defenders this round" works differently from "characters controlled by that player cannot be declared as defenders this round." (Character immunity helps with the second phrase, but not the first.)

KristoffStark said:

This is really a red herring, though, because the characters that die when Arya's ability resolves are not being killed by a claim effect - as outlined above.

KristoffStark said:

I get what you are saying, but it's all in the timing structure. It is Arya's character ability that is resolving, not a claim effect. Arya's character ability does, indeed, work in two steps (first, it identifies players; second, it forces those players to do the same thing that the defending player had to do to resolve claim for that challenge), but the second step is still her character ability, not a separate, independent claim effect.