Alrighty guys, for anyone that isn't used to checking CGDB at midnight CST here's the announcement of 2 Champs and a Chump's newest episode . This time around, we check out some of the new organized play and product announcements from FFG and I finally reveal the decklist for "The Abomination" (Please help me make that an archetype name like Clownboat ). We also discuss why we feel it's time for netdecking to expand in AGOT and why that's good for the game, hence my reveal of The Abomination. Along with that, however, we start a new series that we'd like to explore going into Regional season where we pit two decks against each other and examine the matchup, ie. what we feel are key plays, strengths and weaknesses and overall probability of winning for the two decks. This time around we match The Abomination versus the Power Behind the Throne rush that we had previously built.

Also, here's the decklist for discussion and to make things a little easier to follow during the episode:

The Abomination

House Martell

Alliance Agenda- Lannister

Plots:

Search and Detain

Valar Morghulis

Retaliation

The Power of Blood

Wildfire Assault

Loyalty Money Can Buy

Muster the Realm

Characters:

Elliaria Sand

Ser Jaime Lannister (LotR)

Arianne Martell

Cersei Lannister (LotR)

The Red Viper

Myrcella Lannister x3

Edric Dayne x2

Ser Arys Oakheart

Tommen Baratheon

Ser Kevan Lannister

Brothel Guard x3

Doubting Septa x3

Maester of Lemonwood x2

Orphan of the Greenblood x3

Catellan of the Rock x3

House Payne Enforcer x3

Lannisport Weaponsmith x3

Locations:

Ghaston Grey x3

The Scourge

Queen Cersei's Chambers

Lord Doran's Chambers

Sunspear Tourney Grounds

The Iron Throne (LotR)

Lannisport Brothel

Golden Tooth Mines x3

The Goldroad x3

Lannisport Treasury x2

Fleabottom

Ocean Road

Shadowblack Lane

Street of Sisters

Events:

He Calls it Thinking x2

A Lannister Pays His Debts x2

A Game of Cyvasse x3

Can you explain what Netdecking means?

When you take essentially a whole deck from the Internet and play it in your local meta/tourney. No deck building just playing.

Indeed. The name comes from the act of looking up a decklist on the Internet. In some circles (notably AGOT through the years) it has a pretty negative connotation. As the years go by though, I think more and more that it shouldn't.

Also, due to popular demand I went to CGDB to put together the list there and discovered that Infernarl had beaten me to the punch. Check it out here.

Kennon said:

Alrighty guys, for anyone that isn't used to checking CGDB at midnight CST here's the announcement of 2 Champs and a Chump's newest episode . This time around, we check out some of the new organized play and product announcements from FFG and I finally reveal the decklist for "The Abomination" (Please help me make that an archetype name like Clownboat ). We also discuss why we feel it's time for netdecking to expand in AGOT and why that's good for the game, hence my reveal of The Abomination. Along with that, however, we start a new series that we'd like to explore going into Regional season where we pit two decks against each other and examine the matchup, ie. what we feel are key plays, strengths and weaknesses and overall probability of winning for the two decks. This time around we match The Abomination versus the Power Behind the Throne rush that we had previously built.

I like the deck Will, esp. after listening to your talk in Ep. 55. I haven't listened to this episode yet, so I'm curious if there's anything you've mentioned about the lack of answer for locations or non-condition attachments.

And while I like the name, I refuse to assist in it making that archtype... it doesn't have the specificity.

Looking forward to listening to the episode.

I called my pre-restriction/pre-errata Martell deck with Viper's Bannermen, Narrow Escape and Prince's Plan "The Abomination", too.

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I am a new player and am just now getting into your podcast.

I want to ring in on the netbuilding discussion. As you state in your podcast a decklist is very useful to new players to grasp the basics of how to build a deck. For the longest time I didn't know how to focus decks until I started viewing "top 8" lists. Some of them were ones I wasn't very interested in but some were very cool. I also think that decklists posted online would help with the building of decks to combat the powerful ones. As you say, there are some great deckbuilders. Wouldn't it be great to see these great deckbuilders sharing ideas on how to beat decks like your "Abomination."

Really enjoying the podcast. Thanks!

Mathias Fricot said:

Ive heard it crashes pretty often with more than 2 people.

Great podcast. All three aGoT podcasts have been really good this month. Sorry about scooping you on the decklist post, but you never posted the last two decks you mentioned so I did (Like I did with the last two).

Cheers to opening the kimono.

Maester_LUke said:

Kennon said:

Alrighty guys, for anyone that isn't used to checking CGDB at midnight CST here's the announcement of 2 Champs and a Chump's newest episode . This time around, we check out some of the new organized play and product announcements from FFG and I finally reveal the decklist for "The Abomination" (Please help me make that an archetype name like Clownboat ). We also discuss why we feel it's time for netdecking to expand in AGOT and why that's good for the game, hence my reveal of The Abomination. Along with that, however, we start a new series that we'd like to explore going into Regional season where we pit two decks against each other and examine the matchup, ie. what we feel are key plays, strengths and weaknesses and overall probability of winning for the two decks. This time around we match The Abomination versus the Power Behind the Throne rush that we had previously built.

I like the deck Will, esp. after listening to your talk in Ep. 55. I haven't listened to this episode yet, so I'm curious if there's anything you've mentioned about the lack of answer for locations or non-condition attachments.

And while I like the name, I refuse to assist in it making that archtype... it doesn't have the specificity.

Bounce with either cyvasse or gg would be his answer to attachments.

Yup, between the bounce handling positive attachments on opponent's characters and the maesters knocking off negative Condition attachments on my stuff, I feel like the attachment front is pretty well covered.

As for locations, I'll admit that I don't have specific solutions to them. In general, I'm stuck playing around them, but there aren't that many that I've run into that are must destroy options. Aegon's Hill is the first that comes to mind, though it seems strangely out of favor lately.

Kennon said:

One thing I did notice was that you don't seem to be well set up in your uniques to handle multiple wipe Plots when it's not your choice of when they go off.

As long as you are dictating the flow of the game, you're fine but when it becomes important that you keep a few specific uniques in play, a well timed Valar will do a lot of damage. You have no saves or ways to reply your uniques so, if they get dealt with in any manner (intrigue, raiding or kill) you're not getting that card back for the game.

Kennon said:

Totally understand on both, I tried out the deck a couple times, and just had some difficulty in those two areas. A) You're relying on your draw to get to those two MoL (or an opponent's Summoning Season) which may take a while, and there's nothing for negative non- Condition attachments on any of your non-[NOBLE] cards.

And perhaps it's because Aegon's Hill is popular in our meta, I find it absolutely necessary. Although your simple options aren't great. Vat of Wildfire (Targ's got attachment control), Shield Islands Dromon (eh), Alchemist's Guild Hall (interesting with Syrio?) and Chella (3 gold is a lot to pay for a temporary solution) in-house, Nightmares (temporary), Pyromancer's Apprentice (conditional), Attack from the Sea/Burning Bridges/Snowed Under (1-turn), Condemned by the Council (best choice?), or Breaking & Entering if you get lucky early. But event bloat sucks. Maybe replace a Cyvasse & a reducer?

It's too bad Heavy Taxes can't be played on opponents' locations/doesn't give the location the bonus so you could combo it with Support of the Kingdom.

@zimagic, In general I'm not attached to my uniques. Myrcella and Edric are the only ones with multiple copies in the deck, and even they are ones that I'm fully prepared to let go of, if need be. While losing a unique character can be a psychological blow, the non-uniques are far more important to the deck overall.

@Maester_LUke, Which non Condition negative attachments are you running into in your meta? I'm not recalling any off the top of my head.

Kennon said:

You know Will, I could have sworn I actually had a codicil that approximated "... if there are any. I don't have a good way to search for something _without_ a trait." But clearly that never made it out of the editing process in my brain. I did a quick glance at the attachments on agotcards, (the searched list makes a relatively straightforward vertical listing of traits to scan) and the only thing that pops out to me is Climbing Spikes. And they're actually relevant in this case. ~Whenever that Wildling deck sneaks up on people.

Like I said, I'm not disputing that it's a good deck, I just had poor luck on the draw and/or bad match-ups. ~That, or everyone else in your meta is a scrub.

Oh, no, I didn't think that you were trying to call me out on the deck or something. I was legitimately curious if there were non-Condition negative attachments that you're seeing a lot of in your meta. Climbing Spikes is potentially relevant, but I don't think Wildlings have made it back into a full upswing here, though a couple players have talked about it.