Card Board Gamers said:

I still don't get what's the difference between:

"attacking after opponent's first turn is better than attacking after opponent's first turn with one additional turn for setup"

If you want to be extra smashy you can just drop units to the battlefield on the first turn, wait without attacking and then burn first zone on your second turn.

Card Board Gamers said:

I can't as I live in Poland. But I'll be probably going my second time on our championships in Semtember. Polish game distributor provides a trip to GenCon for winner, so there should be at least one Pole there

gr4ffi said:

When you're playing by tournament rules, player order is decided before you get to look at your starting hand.

Mallumo you're the one writing new articles for the FFG now, yes? I must say the quality has improved a lot

We always play by tournament rules so no peaking.

All I'm saying is this

1. no attack
2. player 2 attack
3. player 1 attack
4. player 2 attack
5. player 1 attack
6. player 2 attack
7. player 1 attack
8. player 2 attack

As second player you are always one attack ahead. If you make it count it can be used to your advantage. That's all I'm saying. I look forward to playing against the Polish ambassador whomever it is! Even though the tournament is on Friday instead of Saturday I hope there are more participating than last year.

A competetive environment doesn't imply playing with tournament rules every time and by voluntarily i actually meant voluntarily. The discussion was based on the assumption that you have the decision to start or go 2nd turn, or was it?. Tournament rules are no solution to this problem in my eyes.

All i'm saying is, when rushing burning zones is important. See it that way:

1. no attack, gather forces/economy

2. economy

3. attack, burn zone

4. reaction

5. attack, burn zone, win

Yours is:

1. economy

2. attack, but do not destroy zone

3. reaction

4. attack, burn zone

5. reaction

6. attack, burn zone, win

So you will give your opponent 2 full turns with much more economy to react instead of one… burning a zone on turn 2 is uncommon, on turn 3 is much more likely. So starting turn 2 actually is less pressure on your opponent, he has more time/economy to react.

This makes sense.

I concede and now feel sick that the game is slighted to the winner of the opening dice role.

I don't like that, feels pokemon-ee.

I dont see it being decided by determination of the start player. But 1st turn has its benefits and it is a problem, yea. Dealing with this via deck building brings a demanding component into the game though, which is fun again You could go different approaches: I usually play orc and will try to bring out a super big economy super fast in order to buffer the damage dealt to me from harrassing right before the 3rd turn.

Virgo said:

Some of them, yes. Thank you.

Kaine, don't despair. There might be a discernible advantage to the opening player, but we're dealing with ideal scenarios here. No need to concede the match just because you lost the dice roll.

Yeah there's no need to concede the game just because of a dice roll lost.Games are still playable,my only gripe was with chaos starting first and getting a chaos sorc/marauders to end the game on turn 2 thats all.All other hands are still pretty playable even though you're going second.

I don't really think it makes that big of a difference. Really I think both are strategies to use depending on if you are the first or second player. Our league night is tonight so I guess I'll give it a go.

@Virgo: Your distributor will send your national champion to world championship, wont he? That's not gencon this year, world's takes place at FFG game center at november.

Yes, World Championship. Thanks, I stay corrected

If I do well at GenCon I might make the trip up to Minnesota for the World Championship. It's a 12 hour drive for me.

Lucky you As we are from europe, the trip will take much more time and will be much more expensive to make.

12 hours is quite a journey anyway. But I bet the event will be worth to make it.

Any opinions on Eltharion so far? I'd love to make a deck with him and have a few ideas. Is HE now the token deck?