Starve for Your King! and The Stormlands

By Thanos Voidseeker, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

Does the card Starve for Your King! (after I reveal a Power Struggle plot I get +4 gold) take into account The Stormlands (All plot cards I reveal have the Power Struggle trait)? Starve for your King! does NOT say "printed" trait so I imagine these cards do work together, but I just need to clarify it.

Thanks in advance.

As of right now, yes. What matters is whether the card has the trait when you trigger the Response, not when the card was revealed.

That may change, based on what FFG decides to do in the next FAQ with some questions that came up relatively recently, but as of right now, you're correct that "Starve for Your King!" essentially works with any plot when "The Stormlands" is out.

Thank you very much, that helped.

ktom said:

As of right now, yes. What matters is whether the card has the trait when you trigger the Response, not when the card was revealed.

That may change, based on what FFG decides to do in the next FAQ with some questions that came up relatively recently, but as of right now, you're correct that "Starve for Your King!" essentially works with any plot when "The Stormlands" is out.

This type of ruling is very interesting to me. Let's play a game of scenarios for fun. Let's say these cards exist.

1. Location - Response: After you play a LORD from your hand, he claims 1 power.

2. Event - Response: After you play a card from you hand, that card gains the LORD trait until the end of the round.

So with the above ruling, I could play a non-lord character, activate the above event response to give it the lord trait, then activate the location response to have it gain 1 power. In that way, even though the conditions for triggering the location response weren't initially met, you can reverse engineer the conditions that you need in order for the response gate to open at the appropriate time.

I don't know if this is a good/bad/dangerous type of ruling, but I find it very interesting indeed. It gives me a whole other level to consider when building decks and examining card interactions. Just another reason to love this game. Every time I play I feel like my brain is getting a workout. It's the same feeling I get when doing a really hard crossword puzzle.

Why are you bothering to make up cards?

The Wall ("If it is Winter, your BARA characters gain the Night's Watch trait and do not kneel to defend.")

Castle Black ("Response: After you play a Night's Watch character from your hand, reduce the cost of the next Night's Watch character you play this phase by 1.)

If you play a random BARA character while it is Winter and The Wall is out, you can trigger Castle Black to lower the cost of your next (printed) NW character.

The fact that it matters what things look like when you trigger the response, not when the response opportunity is created, is a corollary to the fact that cards have "after you play this card" Responses. If the situation when the opportunity was created locked everything in, that sort of Response wouldn't work (because it wasn't in play when the opportunity was created; kind screws the Shadow mechanic, huh?). But yes, the "good/bad/dangerous" of it is what FFG is probably thinking about right now. It hasn't been particularly dangerous to this point (it's been the way things have been played for years), but the developers may have other things in mind that would make it a good time to change.

Wasn't there a different ruling about playing a Bolton Refugee while controlling Winterfell Castle and responding with The Dreadfort?

That's more of a question on that specific card, that wasn't generalized. It is the generalization that we're waiting on in the FAQ.

The Dreadfort thing largely comes down to what the actual Response trigger is when playing the card. There is also the interesting paradox that by the "don't include modifiers when you play the card" means that, if you have Winterfell Castle out, The Dreadfort cannot be triggered when a printed 2-STR Bolton is played, but you can trigger it when the exact same character changes control. So yeah, that ruling left a lot of other questions in its wake and shouldn't go beyond that one card until further notice.

ktom said:

It is the generalization that we're waiting on in the FAQ.

Just out of curiosity, do you have any confirmation that this will be addressed in the FAQ? Or are we just hoping it will be?

Ratatoskr said:

ktom said:

It is the generalization that we're waiting on in the FAQ.

Just out of curiosity, do you have any confirmation that this will be addressed in the FAQ? Or are we just hoping it will be?

Ooo, juicy tidbits. I dunno what you know or what you can tell us, but do you have any sense of what else is on their radar? I'd definitely like to see some more clarification on Meera, some FAQ-codified rulings on how all the hijinks involved in multi-title, title-swapping work out, and maybe a note clarifying the new position on how Threat from the East works.