I was just wondering if Shaggydogs ability (Kneel a Direwolf card to choose 1 attacking character. Until the end of the phase,that character gets -2 STR) can interfere in a challenge between 2 other players in a melee game.

E.g. Player A attacks player B with a Strength of 8, and player B defends with a strength of 7. Can player C kneel a dire wolf to lower the stength of player A's character causing B to win the challenge?

off course you can do that. It doesn't say "a character attacking you".

I want to add to this because I have questions about Direwolves. Namely Shaggydog.

-I have the core set version and LoW version of Shaggydog. One is an attachment and the other a character. Do I have to choose one to play or can I play both?
-I know this is the case with some of the other wolves too.

You can play both types but, the 2nd one you play will just be a duplicate. It won't add any benefits.

BARF said:

You can have both in your draw deck, but since they are both unique, you can only have one in play at a time. Putting the other one into play will simply make it a dupe on the existing card.

It is worth noting that your ability to play the cards seperately (one card comes into play after the other has left play) can be affected by which one was in play first. If you play the character version first and he is sent to the dead pile, the attachment version becomes a dead card. Putting it in play would violate the rules regarding unique cards in the dead pile on pg 19 of the Core rules. If the attachment version was first and left play, you would still be able to play the character version later.

also adding, you can't have 3 of both, just 3 total, in any combination.

sabrefox said:

The point is that the rules for unique card are figured by card title . If a unique card as the same title as another unique card, you have to follow all the usual rules, even if they are not the same card type .

Do attachments "die" with attached characters in the dead pile?

If you are asking what happens to an attachment that is attached to a character that is killed, then said attachment is normally separated from the character card while they are both moribund. The character card goes to the dead pile and the attachment card goes to the discard pile. There are a few attachment cards, Winter Cache and Longclaw for example, which have a replacement effect to allow you to move the card to another legal target rather than place it in the discard pile.

If your question is in regard to ktom's statement above - "But only if the attachment version leaves play without going to the dead pile", I think ktom was trying to provide an exception to my example in order to drive home the idea that it doesn't matter the TYPE of card, it matters the TITLE of the card. I am not aware of any action that would cause an attachment to go to the dead pile instead of the discard pile, or move an attachment from the dead pile to the discard pile - not to say that there won't ever be one in the future. If such an action exists now, perhaps someone can shed some light?

Aegon's Hill can move any card from a player's hand to the dead pile.

If an attachment had the keyword "Deathbound," it would go to the dead pile instead of the discard pile when it leaves play (there were unique attachments with the "Deathbound" keyword in the CCG days).

Mostly, though, I was pointing out that the usual rules for unique apply. If a unique attachment card is in play, you cannot play a unique character card with the same name (although you can dupe the attachment with the character). You'd need to remove the attachment from play before you could play the character. If a unique attachment card in in the dead pile (an exceedingly rare, but not wholly impossible, situation in the LCG), you cannot play a unique character card with the same name.

ktom said:

I have to disagree on that: Aegon's Hill can only send a character card to the dead pile. It doesn't matter for the main point, of course.

Khudzlin said: