Maybe they will fly (pay for tickets) the champions of the continentals?? something like paying the ticket for the meele and joust champ of stalteck!!
World Championship Announcement
I truly believe that moving the World Championships to Minnesota is all about "control" for FFG, and I don't mean that in a negative context. There is cost-control, venue control, manpower control, timing control, etc, etc.
For instance, if FFG wanted to arrange an expense-paid trip to Gencon for the winner of Stahleck, their costs are going to be huge! Downtown Indy hotel rooms are not cheap, plus you have to factor in the costs of a Gencon badge (I don't know what this actually costs a company like FFG who has a significant representation at Gencon). I'm also guessing the costs of flights will be significantly reduced to Minnesota in November.
You know, speaking of that stuff, if the European champs get brought here on the company dollar, but the North American champs don't get something similar, I'm going to be quite sad.
Kennon said:
You know, speaking of that stuff, if the European champs get brought here on the company dollar, but the North American champs don't get something similar, I'm going to be quite sad.
Yeah, because there's like that .1% chance you would ever actually win GenCon.
Dobbler said:
I truly believe that moving the World Championships to Minnesota is all about "control" for FFG, and I don't mean that in a negative context. There is cost-control, venue control, manpower control, timing control, etc, etc.
For instance, if FFG wanted to arrange an expense-paid trip to Gencon for the winner of Stahleck, their costs are going to be huge! Downtown Indy hotel rooms are not cheap, plus you have to factor in the costs of a Gencon badge (I don't know what this actually costs a company like FFG who has a significant representation at Gencon). I'm also guessing the costs of flights will be significantly reduced to Minnesota in November.
Well, you can take that too far as well. They could say Worlds will be in the basement of whomever wins GenCon, and FFG will run the tourney via Skype. Control of lots of costs!!! Or just run it on OCTGN!
That sounds crazy...but only a little more crazy than Roseville in the middle of November.
rings said:
Dobbler said:
I truly believe that moving the World Championships to Minnesota is all about "control" for FFG, and I don't mean that in a negative context. There is cost-control, venue control, manpower control, timing control, etc, etc.
For instance, if FFG wanted to arrange an expense-paid trip to Gencon for the winner of Stahleck, their costs are going to be huge! Downtown Indy hotel rooms are not cheap, plus you have to factor in the costs of a Gencon badge (I don't know what this actually costs a company like FFG who has a significant representation at Gencon). I'm also guessing the costs of flights will be significantly reduced to Minnesota in November.
Well, you can take that too far as well. They could say Worlds will be in the basement of whomever wins GenCon, and FFG will run the tourney via Skype. Control of lots of costs!!! Or just run it on OCTGN!
That sounds crazy...but only a little more crazy than Roseville in the middle of November.
Well done, you just took it far!
Roseville is FFG's headquarters! I think you need to stop looking at it like some backwoods, frozen, horrible place to visit, as if FFG chose it to torture us. Sure it is cold there in November. I don't know why this matters. It isn't like we play the games outside. This is more about FFG saying, "We are going to have our championships right here, at our very own store". I realize you are trying to make a point that you don't like the idea of Worlds being held in MN when you joke about having it in someones basement, but the analogy doesn't really fly for me when because it is apples and oranges.
I am fine with the location and time of year. If it makes it easier for FFG and the OP gets better then it is fine. My issue comes with the timing of the announcement. FFG is well aware of the preplanning required for Gencon. If they announce this in January there is no harm. The problem is that Gencon from an attendees standpoint needs to be planned once hotel registration opens. It is just bad form to wait until after that to announce this change. As said before It should have been announced for 2013.
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Edited by Mathias FricotMathias Fricot said:
Staton said:
Kennon said:
You know, speaking of that stuff, if the European champs get brought here on the company dollar, but the North American champs don't get something similar, I'm going to be quite sad.
Yeah, because there's like that .1% chance you would ever actually win GenCon.
Will, I will kingmake you in melee just to prove him wrong
Canada will declare for Will!....
under the condition he applies for Canadian citizenship.
and by apply for citizenship is mean...
Will... choose which one of us wisely.
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Edited by Mathias FricotThe gifs! I has them!
Hmmmm.... I may have to change my stance on Canada. If the North is with me.... maybe this will be possible!
Who else wants to help make sure I can officially change my title to Champ?
Kennon said:
Hmmmm.... I may have to change my stance on Canada. If the North is with me.... maybe this will be possible!
Careful Will, you Southrons know not the way of those beyond the wall.
Staton said:
The gifs! I has them!
Le Canada ne soutiendrait jamais quelqu'un ne pourraient pas parler dont un sont les langues maternelles….
Like Aa
and you would need to be able to drink at least 10 Canadian beers which would be like 29 or so americain ones...( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Fin_du_Monde_%28beer%29 )
I hope everyone understand this is just in good fun.
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Edited by Mathias Fricoti know i dont post alot but im chiming in. for me worlds is a no go. it takes everyhthing ive got to get time of work for gencon. i love thrones but im sorry there is no way i can get the funds or time 2 weeks before thanksgiving off just to play worlds. ffg can do what they want its their game afterall but it really makes u step back and take a look at the bigger picture. i just dont see the reasoning behind this with the economy and all but thats just me.
Dobbler said:
rings said:
Dobbler said:
I truly believe that moving the World Championships to Minnesota is all about "control" for FFG, and I don't mean that in a negative context. There is cost-control, venue control, manpower control, timing control, etc, etc.
For instance, if FFG wanted to arrange an expense-paid trip to Gencon for the winner of Stahleck, their costs are going to be huge! Downtown Indy hotel rooms are not cheap, plus you have to factor in the costs of a Gencon badge (I don't know what this actually costs a company like FFG who has a significant representation at Gencon). I'm also guessing the costs of flights will be significantly reduced to Minnesota in November.
Well, you can take that too far as well. They could say Worlds will be in the basement of whomever wins GenCon, and FFG will run the tourney via Skype. Control of lots of costs!!! Or just run it on OCTGN!
That sounds crazy...but only a little more crazy than Roseville in the middle of November.
Well done, you just took it far!
Roseville is FFG's headquarters! I think you need to stop looking at it like some backwoods, frozen, horrible place to visit, as if FFG chose it to torture us. Sure it is cold there in November. I don't know why this matters. It isn't like we play the games outside. This is more about FFG saying, "We are going to have our championships right here, at our very own store". I realize you are trying to make a point that you don't like the idea of Worlds being held in MN when you joke about having it in someones basement, but the analogy doesn't really fly for me when because it is apples and oranges.
~It could be worse...they could run the event in Nebraska where there NOTHING around you!
darknoj said:
Le Canada ne soutiendrait jamais quelqu'un ne pourraient pas parler dont un sont les langues maternelles….
Like Aa
and you would need to be able to drink at least 10 Canadian beers which would be like 29 or so americain ones...( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Fin_du_Monde_%28beer%29 )
I hope everyone understand this is just in good fun.
amiright?
i had to google translate that.
So, moving the world championships away from the largest game convention in North America and to the FFG event center in Minnesota is going to make the tournaments more global? FFG seriously thinks people are more likely to travel to the USA to spend a weekend at a game store, rather than at a 35,000 person event? The largest industry event in the USA that supports the games they are trying to generate world championship players for?
Somebody please tell me how Minnesota is more international than Indiana. You're going to lose all the players who go to Gen Con for many reasons, and play FFG world championship events because they happen to be there. Those people are likely not going to make a separate trip to Minnesota. This will destroy attendance at the tournaments. They will become local events because you've removed your built-in player base at Gen Con, whose attendees come from all around the world already.
I can't understand this decision at all. It's a huge slap in the face to all of the people who have been playing the world championships at Gen Con every year, supporting FFG. Now they are demanding a separate flight, hotel accommodations etc. just to play at the FFG event center?
Wow.
BobtheEnforcer said:
This will destroy attendance at the tournaments. They will become local events because you've removed your built-in player base at Gen Con, whose attendees come from all around the world already.
Wow.
Nice statement. But do you have some facts to back it up? When I crossed the ocean last year I think I was the only player in the Call of Cthulhu and Game of Thrones Worlds who came from a place more distant than Canada.
For North Americans Gen Con is great but it is not a lure that great for Europeans since we have Essen.
If FFG flies in some of the national champions from Europe the event will be much more truly international than it was before.
Indiana, Minnesota - coming from Europe, the difference is pretty marginal. It's still multiple flights.
Weekend in november, vs middle of august. Massive difference. This has just gone from being right in the middle of the big summer holiday, to right in the middle of term-time. For those of us who work or study in schools or universities, this has just become completely impossible.
There go my 2013 holiday plans...
mischraum.de said:
BobtheEnforcer said:
This will destroy attendance at the tournaments. They will become local events because you've removed your built-in player base at Gen Con, whose attendees come from all around the world already.
Wow.
Nice statement. But do you have some facts to back it up? When I crossed the ocean last year I think I was the only player in the Call of Cthulhu and Game of Thrones Worlds who came from a place more distant than Canada.
For North Americans Gen Con is great but it is not a lure that great for Europeans since we have Essen.
If FFG flies in some of the national champions from Europe the event will be much more truly international than it was before.
I can assure you that his statement is true, unless FFG gets tickets for at least 4 european champions. That because we already have a 4 guys contingency going from southamerica (all with plane tickets, badges, visas). So this is going to be the real worlds.....which will probably end with all of us losing in the swiss xD.
We don't really care about the prizes, we care about the experience!!
Now i haveto make a call out for all the people trying to decide if they go or not because of this. GO, lets make it clear for FFG that this is the real worlds this year.
Greetings,
Francisco
I just thought I'd point this out for anyone that's carrying this to an extreme:
Either of these events failing is good for absolutely none of us.