alpha5099 said:

Warhammer has Characters, Events (Tactics), Locations (Support) and Attachments (Support Attachment) much like GoT. Warhammer uses a Capital board to play with provides a base 3 Gold (Resource points) and 1 card draw. You can increase this with characters and support cards.

In the case of a Legend it functions like an attachment to the capital. Its character-like in that it takes damage like a character does and defends itself like a character does. The Legend can be attacked instead of the capital board. It also increases resources, draw and has 1 or 2 fairly strong actions. A Legend is almost immune to all game actions (friendly or not). This is mostly because cards almost always specifically reference character or support cards. Its almost like The Red Viper on steroids.

What would the GoT equivalent be? I'm not sure. Perhaps a special strategy card that has alternative bonuses (and perhaps balancing penalties). Special House cards or Agendas. Kingdom cards that are immune to effects because of their size but make the player vulnerable to certain kinds of attacks. The upcoming Chargenda's are something like this. Maybe a Locagenda could be made as well.

Something to consider...

Say they released a House Arryn Deluxe Expansion with 55 cards. Some of which would be dual themed. (Lanni/Arryn would be Littlefnger for example. Arryn/Stark - Alayne Stone, Blackfish, etc. A Rainbow Guard for a Baratheon, Mya Stone. Some dual house events.

Then a treaty agenda for Arryn and a House Arryn Card.

And... they either do little or no additional Arryn cards in the same manner they support the previous neutral factions after their set. While some powerful cards would be House Arryn only, you can also cost the cards expecting some to be played Out of House.

Considering that the thematic intent of a neutral theme is using mechanics to encourage the player to make a deck around it, this one would just use OOH gold penalties, allowing for a little more variety in mechanics (Since the wait till 6 power one never felt right.)

This wouldn't be adding a 7th house formally, it would be adding a restricted faction that because its not neutral, the designers have more flexibility in building some powerful Arryn Cards without having to deal with certain card combinations.

In fact I would prefer it if they ever returned to Night's Watch, Wildlings, Brotherhood they gave them their own "house card" and just made them fun mini-factions to play not MTG style tribes.

playgroundpsychotic said:

Warhammer's second expansion did introduce an entirely new card type (Legend) though. Perhaps there might be room in GoT for an entirely new type of card and that could be used as a basis for an expansion.

I'm interested in this. So Legends are a whole separate card type, like Character, Location, Attachments, and Events in AGOT? (No idea what Warhammer's types are.) Hmm, that might be cool, though I wonder how that would work in practice.

And I agree that there isn't really any need for any more Deluxe Expansions. Perhaps not having any major products on the horizon might make some people less enthusiastic for the game though, so that might be the value right there.

As tedious and somewhat redundant as it may be in terms a location could do the same thing... what about some kind of "Lineage" card type. Where when you play it, it goes next to your House like an Agenda and gives either some kind of bonus depending on what combination of Characters you have in play?

Example:

"Stark Lineage - A Game Of Thrones".

2 Gold Cost.

"Place this card next to your House Card. This card can only be discarded when you play another Lineage card.

Ned Stark - Catelyn Stark - Sansa Stark - Arya Stark - Bran Stark - Rickon Stark

If you control 2 of the above Characters they each gain '+2 STR and Stalwart'.

If you control 3 of the above Characters they each gain '+2 STR, Stalwart and cannot be discarded from play'.

If you control 4 or more of the above Characters they each gain '+4 STR, Stalwart and 'cannot be discarded from play'.

It could basically let people start playing the main core set of character families from the book/corresponding House. You can let each House also gain some of the themes that other Sub-Houses use that your cards would normally not have. For instance, a Lannister Lineage could have Tywin, Tyrion, Bronn, Chella, Timmet and Shagga. And allow you to select a reasonable amount of non-Clansman characters to become Clansman or something or other.

Then again, this could be a ridiculously stupid idea. I tend to have a lot of those.

Mighty Jim said:

I think you could build a fair-sized set out of the supporting lords and bannermen of House Arryn. You could set up two strategies, those being Jon Arryn (a more noble playstyle) and Petyr Baelish (in Lord Protector mode, using some sort of mechanic involving gold.)

Bronze Yohn, Nestor, the Corbrays, Mya Stone, Alayne Stone, Lysa Arryn, Robert Arryn, Marillion - there's more than a few characters who would be worth swinging into an Arryn pack.

As for other options, I agree with earlier posters that a Kingsguard set would be nice. You could make it the seven who served at the start of the novel, plus the additions - and all neutral. An agenda would be great, and to flesh it out you could throw in some "legendary" Kingsguard characters that weren't alive during the series of novels, but were mentioned repeatedly in the books - of particular interest to me would be the Sword of the Morning and Hightower.

Another option not mentioned here would be the Bloody Mummers. As far as I'm aware, we've not seen many (if any) of them, and an agenda plus some "mercenary-esque" attachments, plots, and so forth would really sell them as a full expansion. However, given the approach that FFG took with the Brotherhood, the Mummers seem more likely to see release in Chapter Packs.

Crann said:

Dunk!

Arthur Dayne and Gerald Hightower are already available. Oswell whent is missing to make up the 3 from the Tower of joy.

Lewyn Martell and Jonothor Darry make up the remainder of Aerys's.

From Joff's Kingsguard: Boros Blount is the only one missing altogether, although neutral versions of Jaime or Balon Swann could be added

Robert Strong for Tommen.

I won't elaborate, in case of dance with Dragons spoilers, but I'll just say - "Duck"

plus loads more historical types- Terrence Toyne, Erryk and Arryk, Lucamore Strong etc..

Penfold said:

I agree with this. If they decide to do more deluxe sets though, there's three things I'd like to see.

1. Martell/Greyjoy core set. Two decks with a mix of CCG reprints and new cards that function similar to the four decks in a standard core and would be functional with the extra cards from PotS and KotS. Toss in a couple cards with dual house like they do now.

2. A mostly neutral box that elaborates on themes presented from earlier cycles. A couple wildling and NW characters, new brotherhood versions, some raven cards, and maybe a new maester or two.

3. A House Arryn box as a completely new house because that would be awesome. I realize this will probably never happen, and some people wouldn't like the idea, but fully believe it could be implemented in a fair way.

Id like some sort of House Dayne support, if only to run a Purple House Card or Agenda

Davy Back Fight said:

I feel like introducing a brand new house with a new house card would require much more than a deluxe expansion at this point. Either one that is at least 70 cards large or one that is followed by several chapter packs with several of this house included. I am not sure it would receive a lot of love from the players that focus on 1 or 2 houses only. It may have potential if they replaced any new neutral cards however.

Bomb said:

Any new houses would definitely be weaker/not as competetive at first. Frankly, I'd be just fine with that. As I've repeatedly posted, I'm all for 9 houses (Tyrell, Arryn, and Tully). But, I strongly believe the way to do that is to introduce slowly. Maybe with a 'deluxe' expansion/intro like the Greyjoy/Martell boxes. And before a deluxe box even comes out, they could just include some dual-house characters in the chapter packs (Stark/Tully Catelyn; Arryn/Bara Ser Robar Royce; Tyrell/Bara Florent characters, etc.) - that way cards can be used by existing houses, while the other houses come up to speed.

I'd even be happy if they introduced the other 3 great houses, but they always had a somewhat lesser card pool/less viable competetive/tournament builds than the existing 6.

LordofBrewtown said:

I like the idea of more great houses getting their own house cards. To help them out with with their card pool they could get a Treaty/Alliance type agenda with a less steep drawback. Instead of pairing two house affiliations, maybe it could let them play cards with the appropriate traits as if they were in-house (though that still wouldn't be enough for Arryn).

I'd also love a neutral expansion to bring neglected traits up to speed. Kingsguard is my favorite, but Brotherhood probably needs it most. Several cards released since the Brotherhood cycle seem to be silver bullets for a deck that keeps its power on characters. "The North" style agendas could be a cool way of buffing those traits. Something like "While you control a defending Kingsguard character, defenders win ties. You may run any number of agendas with "Knight" or "Kingsguard" in their text. You cannot win the game unless, during the dominance phase, you control as many Knight and/or Kingsguard cards as agendas you are running." (Basically i just daydream about being able to run the White Book and Knights of the Realm together.)

I think there's a lot of room for another Baratheon deluxe expansion. With both Stannis in the north and Renly and the Rainbow Guard, as well as house Tyrell overall greatly under-developed, there is plenty of ways to go.

I'm not big fan of a duel house expansion (cause I'm a Lannister hater) , but seriously I think there's room for all the houses to have another deluxe.

If I were running the show, I'd do either a split baratheon expansion (Renly/Tyrell/Rainbow Guard vs Stannis/Asshai/Florent.) with room for a Stannis/Night'swatch theme mixed in. In my vision there's some kind of new agenda or two like Brothers at War.

Stark would be Bolton/Night's Watch/Wildling. (Like the Stark boys with Coldhands.) Lots of mysterious stuff. And Winter. Super winter heavy.

Lanni just got their expansion, so its hard to say. I think they need a new theme. Lords, Clansmen, and Knights are all pretty well developed now.

Greyjoy could be focused on Victarion and or the Greyjoy Rebellion.

Targ would get a little more Nasty dragon play. More use of ambush.

Martell would definitely focus on house Dayne. (Less icon blanking, more win by losing and traps.) *I'm loath to write that as Martel is my most difficult (read:totally rolls me) match-up.

Alright... I guess I lost steam there. I just want more Baratheon themes developed. A house Tyrell agenda would be cool. There are tons of ccg Tyrell cards. Some nasty Florent stuff would be cool too.

Archrono said:

I'll repeat my call, I think FFG could do a really simple reprint of 55-60 cards from A House of Talons, including the Vale Pacts... and maybe another 3-5 in-house cards for each. It might be half neutral, but wouldn't be nearly as "greying" as Maesters, Brotherhood of Defenders was. I think the really cool thing is it gets us more cards with less effort on their part, something that makes it more likely we'll see this sooner, rather than later.

I mentioned Dunk in a previous reply about Kingsguard characters- how about a whole dunk and Egg box set.

We've already got a few characters who don't fit the timing of the main books- Laughing Storm, Daemon Blackfyre, Balerion, why not a whole box from that era?

Just think how happy Aerion would be to find himself in a Dragon Deck...

I've heard anecdotally that FFG's license doesn't cover the Dunk and Egg stories, but I have no idea if that's accurate. Obvious they've fudged that a bit, with The Laughing Storm, so maybe that's just not true. I would definitely love to see more pre-book characters, both Robert's Rebellion and the Dunk and Egg era have a lot of potential.

I'm pretty sure they do include the Dunk and Egg stories, since the main books have referenced those stories repeatedly as well as having some of the same characters. Even if they didn't have access to the Dunk and Egg stories they could print characters from them since they've been referenced by the main stories.

alpha5099 said:

Lets do a Roberts Rebellion expansion, complete with 5 new copies of Robert Baratheon, making the new number of Robert Baratheon cards . . . . . 37