Short question from a newbie

By Morgaln, in Descent: Journeys in the Dark

Just one thing that came up during one game:

There are treasures that say "Discard after equipping at the start of your turn..." May I please get confirmation that this means you can only discard these items at the start of your turn. I had one player insisting that the "start of your turn" had to refer to equipping as it is the last verb before the phrase (none of us is a native English speaker).

I am sure my interpretation is correct but I'd like some confirmation so I have something to fall back on if the question comes up again.

Morgaln said:

Just one thing that came up during one game:

There are treasures that say "Discard after equipping at the start of your turn..." May I please get confirmation that this means you can only discard these items at the start of your turn. I had one player insisting that the "start of your turn" had to refer to equipping as it is the last verb before the phrase (none of us is a native English speaker).

I am sure my interpretation is correct but I'd like some confirmation so I have something to fall back on if the question comes up again.

You're actually stumbling into something that's been discussed lately. I assume this is for the Crystal that gives back 6 wounds and full fatigue?

I'm actually going to cut and paste Antistone's summation since it was one of the best ones I saw:

Begin Manual Quote

Antistone said:

"OK, there's at least 2 plausible ways to read this:

1. Discard (after equipping) at the start of your turn.

You're only allowed to use it at the start of your turn, and the "after equipping" part is there to let you know that you can't use it if it's in your backpack (it must be equipped to be used).

2. Discard after (equipping at the start of your turn).

You can use it at any time during your turn after your free re-equip. Thus, if you want to put another item into your newly-free "other" slot after using the crystal, you'll have to spend movement points or wait until your next turn. However, you don't have to use the crystal at the start of your turn, you could use it half-way through if you want.

In either case, I don't see any problem with equipping it and not using it, if you need to free up space in your backpack or something like that."

End Manual Quote

I interpret it as number 2. So this is what would happen:

Hero turn starts.

On the hero's equip phase, they equip the crystal in one of their two "Other" slots.

The crystal is used, the slot remains empty, and the hero's turn continues.

I'd actually interpret it as number 1, since the "at the beginning of your turn" would be redundant otherwise... Unless it means you can't equip it mid-turn... ;)

I'd agree with it meaning #1. The heroes are able to equip it right away from the chest, so why would you have to un-equip, then re-equip it to use the dang thing? Burn it at the beginning of any turn, after you've put it on.

I'm on board with #1, since there are other times when you can re-equip (after receiving treasure from chests, receiving items from other heroes, spending MP during a turn to re-equip). However, I don't see much real harm in playing it either way.

i agree to method #1, and it matters due to fact that when you use it you have one other slot empty, of course until you spend some MP to equip something else, or the start of your next turn. This item cant be used after your hero fell down to pit or other trap. it can be used only at the start of the hero turn.

Method 1 is the only one that makes sense, otherwise it would say something like "Discard this item to use it. Note that it has to be equipped to be able to discard it" or something.

So, I think it is that at the start of your turn, just after your free re-equip, thats when you use it. Not at any other time.

"At the beginning of your turn" to me implies that it's before anything else happens, so I'd say you'd have to already have it equipped at the start of your turn to use it... I'd similarly argue that you couldn't likewise swap equipment before "beginning of your turn" type of feats/skills either. Or does this follow the "stuff that happens at the same time happens in the order chosen by the hero" type of thing?

Osaka said:

"At the beginning of your turn" to me implies that it's before anything else happens, so I'd say you'd have to already have it equipped at the start of your turn to use it... I'd similarly argue that you couldn't likewise swap equipment before "beginning of your turn" type of feats/skills either. Or does this follow the "stuff that happens at the same time happens in the order chosen by the hero" type of thing?

The card does not say "At the beginning of your turn", it says "Discard after equipping at the start of your turn". Therefore, you do get your chance to have your free equip at the start of the turn before discarding it.

I think this definitely falls under the category of:

FAQ PLEASE!!!

Am I wrong?

Pretty sure Thundercles threw it on the list that was sent.

Threw it onto the new list of things to send later after they resolve the last one..... sad.gif

This falls into the same problem the OL has sometimes in my game.

"Start of turn..." cards all have this problem. When does the start of my turn actually end? Is it after I do the first action or after I do all the actions that are considered the 'start'

The OL drawing cards, discarding down to hand size, and spawning monsters, AND playing any 'start of your turn cards' can all happen, and they all happen during "the start of the OL's turn"

Players roll for their effect tokens, all of which are at the start of the turn so that doesn't mean that only 1 of them can get rolled because after it is rolled it isn't the start anymore. I believe in the rulebook it says something along the lines of "At the start of a player's turn he may equip" or something.

As I understand it and as my group plays it, the Start of a turn is defined as" Everything before an OL activates a monster. Everything a player does before declaring his action.

So I'd say #1 and a better description of the Start of Turn, something like I just did above only canon.

I reread it, and number 1 is what I meant.