Some Rule questions

By Jayy, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

Hi.

I have some questions about the rules.

1. Response is a character ability? So I can cancel it for example with Starfall advisor?

2. Are there any cancels in play (or maybe planned) that cancels an action?

Jay

PS: And one more question: Starfall Advisor is not able to cancel events like westeros bleeds because its not just affecting one character (house dayne) but all. Right?

1. If the response comes from a character, yes.

2. There are lots of things that cancel Actions. Most of them are events - Seasick, The Hand's Judgment, Paper Shield.

Finally, if an effect doesn't use the word "choose" then it has no "target", so Starfall Advisor could not cancel it. (So you were right.)

radiskull said:

2. There are lots of things that cancel Actions. Most of them are events - Seasick, The Hand's Judgment, Paper Shield.

"Actions" in this game is a very broad term, referring to anything a player does to move the game along. They break down into two categories: Player and Framework. A "player action" is pretty much anything a player chooses to do, other than a Response (which are considered to be part of the actions they are responding to), based on the cards s/he has at the time. A "framework action" is pretty much anything the timing structure of the game requires a player to do.

So examples of "player actions" include (non-Response) event cards, character abilities, etc. that the player chooses to use. Examples of "framework actions" include counting gold in Marshaling, revealing plots, declaring attackers or defenders, and so on.

Almost all of the cancels in the game are geared toward player actions of one type or another. There are very few that cancel framework actions (Red Vengeance is actually one of them; claim would be considered a framework action).

Passive effects, which are not considered actions at all, could potentially be canceled, but there are no effects that specifically do so in the game at this time. (Although technically, there are some cancels that could cancel passive effects under certain conditions. For example, if a passive character ability chose a House Dayne character as a target, Starfall Advisor should be able to cancel it.)

Thanks for the answers.

There are cards to cancel things, I know. But always more or less specific. What I mean is: "Cancel an action." So a cancel that works for every card trying to come into play or shadow.

The most generic cancel effects I can think of are "To Be a Kraken" and "Seasick", both of which can cancel "triggered effects" (which are any effects initiated by player choice, that is anything that begins with boldface - including responses -, but not passive effects or framework effects). There are no effects that simply cancel an effect with no restriction whatsoever.

Jayy said:

There are cards to cancel things, I know. But always more or less specific. What I mean is: "Cancel an action." So a cancel that works for every card trying to come into play or shadow.

You will never see a card that simply says "cancel an action." The most generic you will ever see is "cancel a triggered effect," or possibly "cancel a card effect."

FWIW, I meant "Player Action" when I said what I did. But of course clarity and precision is key here, and so I defer to the much better replies that have come along in the meantime ;)

But for example "Cancel a Player Action" would be possible I think. Including bringing Characters into play and play event cards.

Jayy said:

But for example "Cancel a Player Action" would be possible I think. Including bringing Characters into play and play event cards.

There are certainly ways to cancel event cards since event cards are triggered effects.

You can cancel a triggered effect that brings characters into play, but you can't cancel playing characters during the marshaling phase when it's your turn unless there is a secret card I have not yet seen.

while technically possible, i don't think such a broad cancel would be good for the game.

now that i think about it, marshalling is probably the only player action without a cancel yet (shadows are kinda sorta a framework action). Though I doubt there will be anything that broad either. If anything, I'd expect more things like shield islands dromon, but hopefully less negligible....

And there is no cancel for a card coming out of Shadows. There are cancels for the "after a card comes out of Shadows" Responses, and there are cancels for "bring a card out of Shadows" triggered effects, but there are no cancels for the "at the beginning of the phase, each player can bring 1 card out of Shadows" rule/action.