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Response: Kneel 2 influence and put Bloodrider into play from your hand to cancel the effects of a character ability just triggered.

NML:

Lord, Raider After you play Newly Made Lord from your hand, choose and discard 1 non-limited location with cost 3 or lower, if able.

Bloodrider can cancel character ability just trigerred. NML passive is character abilty no doubt. It trigerrs as well as we have triger condition: comes into play. I think that people mixed here trigerred character ability which points to all abilities with words: Response: phase: Any phase: with character ability just trigerred which includes as well passive abilities without mentioned words.

Any thoughts?

We have this thread, including the following post by ktom:

"This is a very old and settled issue.

"Effect just triggered" or "ability just triggered" refers to effects/abilities defined as "triggered abilities" only. This is simply a templating standard for interpreting card text because "triggered," when used in card text, indicated player choice in this game.

In saying that a passive ability "triggers," you are simply saying that it has initiated - not that you had any choice in the matter. Just because the FAQ uses the word "trigger" to describe when a passive ability activates does not make the word applicable in all contexts.

This particular discussion has been around since the card "Trickery" came out in the Throne of Blades set."

The confusion arises from the FAQ using the word "trigger" both as the generic verb as well as a specific rules term, which may be unfortunate, but what can you do. I consider the matter settled, though. The "Effect just triggered" wording refers only to triggered effects.

If people are still unsure about this, I'd ask them to send the question to FFG.

I don't agree with this statements. There are currently 3 cards with text "character ability just triggered"
The Iron Throne (Lions)
Bloodrider
Lord of Light, Protect Us
and 1 with wording "triggered character ability"
Sunspear Tourney Grounds

If FFG intention would be triggered character ability they would use text in STG card. Look into time for all 4 cards, *** comes as the newest one and there FFG used therm ability triggered. STG comes just before *** and have different wording. Bloodrider came a little before again with the same wording as ***. It shows that it was no FFG internal change with wording as they use both consequently.

berto said:

berto said:

FFG has not changed the wording. They have used the two terms ("triggered effect" and "effect just triggered") interchangeably since close to the beginning of the CCG. If the word "triggered" shows up in card text, it is referring to triggered effects. But send it to FFG directly since you do not agree.

ktom said:

I don't think berto means the conditional part. I think he means the part before the bracket.

STG says: "[...] kneel Sunspear Tourney Grounds to cancel a triggered character ability."

Bloodrider says: "[...] cancel the effects of a character ability just triggered."

It's this difference in wording that berto bases his argument on. And I can see where he's coming from. If FFG had used the wording from STG on Bloodrider, none of this confusion would have happened.

I can also see where Bolzano came from in the other thread quoted above. If FFG hadn't used "trigger" both in the generic sense and as a specific game term in the FAQ, none of the confusion would have happened either.

But none of this really matters for the question at hand. What does matter is that ktom says the issue has been clarified by FFG in the past. That's enough for me.

I do wish this would be clarified in the FAQ, though. Ktom, do you think I should write to FFG and ask for such a clarification? Or will you take it up with them? I gather you have a closer link with them than us grunts do.

Ratatoskr said:

Reprint of *** says nothing as FFG changed text in a lot of new cards reprinted. Look to the new Lions expansion plots for example. The question remains why they still use two terms: character ability just triggered and triggered character ability?

Anyway do you have official answer from FFG which clarifies this issue?

Is there anything in the LCG era of this game that can cancel a passive ability?

berto said:

Yes. Seven years of history and consistent rulings. "An ability just triggered" is the be read the same as "triggered ability."

Do I have an email from the last 12 hours that I can copy? No.

Bomb said:

Technically, our "cancel the 'when revealed' text of a plot card" effects cancel passive abilities.

Island Smuggler, Drinking the Sea, Herald of the King, Wildling Wisewoman, and Starfall Advisor all could if the passive ability in question matches their "would do X" conditions.

But there is nothing in the LCG I can think of that can generally cancel passive effects.

ktom said:

OK then we definitely have our basis for what does NOT cancel a passive ability, and that is anything that uses the term "trigger" to describe it. That being said, I don't understand why it is argued that it should EVER include passive abilities.

Because the FAQ says things like "passive effects are triggered now." So people (understandably) look at that and thing "that passive effect has just been triggered; it says so right there." But the rulings and formal templating convention certainly goes the other way; use of the word "triggered" indicates "triggered effect."

can bloodrider cancel another bloodrider?

db123456 said:

Don't look further. Hot from the presses.