different between choose and kneel with kneel

By aoke, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

Hello,

compare these three event cards:

You've killed the wrong dwarf! ( L 167): choose and kneel a ........... Then, that character claims 1 power

Lords of the Narrow sea (B 170): kneel 3 influence or a kneel a RING character to ........

Muster (B 168): kneel one of your knight characters to ........

My question is what's different between choose and kneel, kneel and kneel one of your character.

As my understand, choose and kneel can kneel your character or other player's character because choose first. And then kneel one of your character of course only can kneel your character. But how about kneel. Normally your can only kneel your own controlled character or location to pay for the event card or character ability. But then what's the different between kneel and kneel one of your character.

the difference is the word choose. certain other abilities can cancel events and abilities that target something. if the word choose isnt used then there is no target, then those other abilities cannot cancel said action.

Actually, the real difference here is the template. The word "choose" isn't nearly as important as the word "to" in these examples.

For You Killed The Wrong Dwarf, the text is "choose and kneel a non-NOBLE character, then...". This is simply an effect. Effects can be applied to any character - unless specifically limited otherwise.

For Muster, the text is "Kneel one of your Knight characters to search your deck...". This follows the "do X to do Y" format that always identifies X as a cost . You can only pay costs with your own resources. So just like you cannot reach across the table and take gold out of your opponent's gold pool to pay for a card you want to play, you cannot reach across the table and kneel a character your opponent controls to pay for an event card you want to play.

So the difference here is between "cost" and "effect." That means the key word to look for as a difference is "to," because a cost will always be indicated by the "do X to do Y" wording.

ktom said:

Actually, the real difference here is the template. The word "choose" isn't nearly as important as the word "to" in these examples.

For You Killed The Wrong Dwarf, the text is "choose and kneel a non-NOBLE character, then...". This is simply an effect. Effects can be applied to any character - unless specifically limited otherwise.

For Muster, the text is "Kneel one of your Knight characters to search your deck...". This follows the "do X to do Y" format that always identifies X as a cost . You can only pay costs with your own resources. So just like you cannot reach across the table and take gold out of your opponent's gold pool to pay for a card you want to play, you cannot reach across the table and kneel a character your opponent controls to pay for an event card you want to play.

So the difference here is between "cost" and "effect." That means the key word to look for as a difference is "to," because a cost will always be indicated by the "do X to do Y" wording.

Thank you so much

Now I get it.