The quest card states that enemies revealed are discarded. The torch states that the top card is discarded and if it's an enemy, it's added to the staging area. These cards don't really conflict at all.
Khazad-dûm Card Questions
radiskull said:
The quest card states that enemies revealed are discarded. The torch states that the top card is discarded and if it's an enemy, it's added to the staging area. These cards don't really conflict at all.
excellent point there
So radiskull, are you saying that is their way of avoiding when revealed terminology and that we should put him into play?
That is exactly what I'm saying, yes. The torch effect basically says "discard the top card of the encounter deck, and if it's an enemy, instead of putting it in the discard pile, put it into play."
Nenya said:
Some questions about Flight from Moria:
Abandoned Tools can enter the staging area through the quest card Narrow Paths (side 2B states: "After placing the first progress token on Narrow Paths, search the encounter deck and discard pile for Abandoned Tools and add it to the staging area, if able.") In this case, does Abandoned Tools enter guarded or unguarded? Also, what do the words "if able" apply to? Is there any case other than Abandoned Tools already being in the staging area where one would not be able to add them?
Why does The Nameless Fear have hit points? How could one possibly put any damage on it? For that matter, why does it have attack points and shield points if it cannot engage or be engaged? I think there must be something I am missing here. Or is it just that this card will function differently in future quests?
Since it is a guarded attachment, you will still have to reveal the next card to "guard" it.
Abandoned tools can be revealed by the encounter deck during the staging step. If it is revealed before that quest card response is triggered you would not need to add it.
The Nameless fear has hit points because Dunhere can attack enemies in the staging area. (Gandalf and the eagles that deal damage when they enter play can not do damage to him because he is immune to card effects). As for Strength and defense stats, his strength is used for some of the cards shadow effects and the his defense eventually make it where Dunhere can no longer deal damage to him.
Sprenger said:
Nenya said:
Some questions about Flight from Moria:
Abandoned Tools can enter the staging area through the quest card Narrow Paths (side 2B states: "After placing the first progress token on Narrow Paths, search the encounter deck and discard pile for Abandoned Tools and add it to the staging area, if able.") In this case, does Abandoned Tools enter guarded or unguarded? Also, what do the words "if able" apply to? Is there any case other than Abandoned Tools already being in the staging area where one would not be able to add them?
Why does The Nameless Fear have hit points? How could one possibly put any damage on it? For that matter, why does it have attack points and shield points if it cannot engage or be engaged? I think there must be something I am missing here. Or is it just that this card will function differently in future quests?
Since it is a guarded attachment, you will still have to reveal the next card to "guard" it.
Abandoned tools can be revealed by the encounter deck during the staging step. If it is revealed before that quest card response is triggered you would not need to add it.
The Nameless fear has hit points because Dunhere can attack enemies in the staging area. (Gandalf and the eagles that deal damage when they enter play can not do damage to him because he is immune to card effects). As for Strength and defense stats, his strength is used for some of the cards shadow effects and the his defense eventually make it where Dunhere can no longer deal damage to him.
If card effects cannot take effect on the Nameless Fear, wouldn't that include Dunhere's ability? Isn't his ability a card effect?
Dunhere's effect is a card effect, but it doesn't affect Nameless Fear, it affects Dunhere. The thing that is putting damage on NF is Dunhere's attack, not Dunhere's card effect.
So if I am understanding right, then dunhere could potentially attack and damage nameless fear, but gandalf and desc. Of thorondor or beorning beekeeper could not, correct?
radiskull said:
Dunhere's effect is a card effect, but it doesn't affect Nameless Fear, it affects Dunhere. The thing that is putting damage on NF is Dunhere's attack, not Dunhere's card effect.
This seems like an oversight to me. I think it's pretty clear you were never supposed to be able to damage/kill the Nameless Fear. I think it still would be pretty difficult and probably not worth it to do with Dunhere (unless you managed to get his attack WAY up) anyway though, so it probably isn't a big deal.
Strictly based on the wording, Dunhere should be able to attack NF, as his is a "hero card," which the rules differentiate from a "player card." Also, Thalin should be able to do 1 damage when it appears.
However, the rules sheet clarifies that nothing can confront it in any way, period.
Seems like Gandalf should have some means of fighting it, though.
Since it is present in setup Thalin won't be able to deal his 1 damage.
i think you werent meant to kill it either though i dont see any reason why the above statements cant be true...apart from the waste of heros and resources on an impossible task
Doom1502 said:
Since it is present in setup Thalin won't be able to deal his 1 damage.
Ah, right. But it doesn't matter, anyway, per the rules sheet. I just wish they used "any card" on NF's card (like it says in the rules sheet), instead of "player card," which should be distinct from "hero card."
Does the rules distinguish between player cards and hero cards?
I thought heroes were also considered player cards, except they have specific rules (can't go anywhere beside in play and discard pile, don't get shuffled back, starts in play, etc.).
SiCK_Boy said:
Does the rules distinguish between player cards and hero cards?
I thought heroes were also considered player cards, except they have specific rules (can't go anywhere beside in play and discard pile, don't get shuffled back, starts in play, etc.).
There are at least two places in the rulebook where the distinction between "hero cards" and "player cards" is made...
• 226 cards, consisting of:
• 12 Hero Cards
• 120 Player Cards
Decks and Card Types
There are three different types of decks in The Lord
of the Rings: The Card Game: the quest deck, the
encounter deck, and the player deck. There are also
hero cards, which do not belong to any deck.