Can you please settle your differences so that we can have updated version of rules summary.

Sorry if im sounding demanding or ungratefull but Im finding that I'm not using the plague or the social rules that came with expansions simply because I can't quickly reference them on the Universalhead sheet. I've tried others summaries but everyone seem to be adding their own house rules while Universalhead stays true to the true Warhammer rules.

I will not be buying any more products that enhance the game (sticking to adventures) play until I feel confident I will use them.

To Fantasy Flight:

Every respectable RPG game product out there seems to be on his website except yours.

I am missing something apparently!

What is this UniversalHead webpage?

Which is its relation to FFG or GW?

Which differences do they have and why do they impact on our gaming time?

"Every respectable RPG game product out there seems to be on his website except yours."

Is this UniversalHead webpage a democratic thing or the ratings are made by a few?

Cheers

Yepesnopes said:

UniversalHead is the nickname of a graphic designer (and excellent one at that by all accounts) who also produces lots of extremely professional looking cheat sheets and the like for various board games and RPGs.

You can check out some of his work in the above linked web site, or just stick Headless Hollow into Google.

He has no official relation to either FFG or GW as far as I am aware

Previously on the HH website there were also some cheat sheets that UniveralHead developed to aid the WFRP community, but I believe FFG asked him to remove them, which he did. Some community members obviously have older copies, but the latest rules, such as disease aren't included.

As other FFG games are available on that site and the common knowledge that GW are especially precious about their IP, it's likely that it is more GW or due to the deal that GW and FFG have that FFG have asked for the info to be removed, although I think UniversalHead has been very professional about it all, so the specifics haven't been discussed on any public forums as far as I'm aware (and nor should they be, really).

As to the orginial OP though, and the knowlegde that GW is very protective of their IP, i think we are where we are and things are unlikely to change unfortunately.

I think that about covers it and I apologise to UniversalHead if I have said more than I should, but all of the above is just my opinion of the state of play based on what I have seen discussed on boards and other places. I don't know UniversalHead personally, but I bet his in game hand outs are ace!

In that case thumbs up for UniversalHead!

This kind of things are a pitty for the fan community. Me and my group are currently developing a sofware for a GM to manage encounters, creature wounds, critical wounds, fatigue, stress, action cards, condition cards... I doubt we can ever publish it though since it uses an electronic version of the cards

Yepesnopes said:

You might be able to sell it to FFG though, who could publish it...

As petition go I'm willing to start this.

Lauri Maijala

[email protected]

I dont' have any hopes for this to happen but still.

You could, I don't know, make your own?

Demanding a community member do something against which the parent IP asked them to cease doing isn't likely to get anywhere.

Make sure you forward it to customer service. It's not clear if the forums are read by staff anymore (and I mean that in a polite way).

jh

LoveSkylark said:

What the...!

UH has made his position clear on this already. Make your own, it'll be less work than a petition (and less uncomfortable for a certain bloke) and you'll become more fluent with the rules in the process

It would be great if ffg made available such summary sheets as Universal Head and Count Dimon created, either on it's website and/or as an inclusion in a product.

FFG has a great system with this game but it needs to do more to support it, which will in turn reward them by selling it.

However, I do not disagree with any company protecting its intellectual property and won't stop buying their products regardless of their decision in this matter.

LoveSkylark said:

... um, no. A very small handful of RPG products are represented there. It's mostly board games (and FFG's no less).

Doc, the Weasel said:

Yep that's the fun part... if you look at the site, there are lots of FFG board games.

Daedalum said:

If I had his skills I would, UnversalHead has uniquely logical mind and talent to sum up very complicated things in a few words.

I am in no way saying FFS is in doing anything wrong here I am just asking that they reconsider because I strongly belive it in there best interest to allow Universalhead to do this, heck I would even buy this as a suppliment from FFS it was an option (as long as i would get regular updates).

I do believe FFS is being ovely paranoid, as long as any card info remains on the cards and the sheet stick to rulebook rules and info this would sell new suppliment not harm them.

LoveSkylark said:

Looking at the situation, I would think it is out of FFG's hands- they have a great product and I hope lots of further ideas for expansion, so I doubt they wish to risk the deal with GW,and I can't blame them.

There have been numerous run ins with GW and their IP over the years so I doubt very much this little situation will change it.

Oh hello, I just stumbled across this thread!

First of all, thankyou for the very kind words about my summary/reference sheets. It's very flattering and much appreciated - made my day in fact.

FFG and I have no 'differences' at all, in fact they have always been extremely supportive of my boardgaming sheets. Unfortunately RPGs are quite a bit different from boardgames, however, when it comes to making summaries.

There are two important issues in this case. One, GW (and by extension FFG in this case) is extremely protective of their copyrights as we all know, and I'm not comfortable creating 'same but different' substitutes for things like the logo and dice symbols. Two, it's very difficult to know which material I could include in a summary/reference and which I couldn't. When I first did a WFRP3 summary I was politely asked to remove some of the material (some tables, for example) because FFG, quite understandably, didn't want to give away all the info needed to run a WFRP game. So neither of us have the time - and I completely understand FFG not having the inclination from a business standpoint - to go back and forth legally fine-tuning a set of free reference sheets for WFRP. And they wouldn't be comprehensive in the end in any case.

Remember, unlike boardgames, FFG doesn't publish the ruleset for WFRP for free - for obvious reasons.

So I completely understand and accept FFG's perspective on this one. While of course I've made a very comprehensive set of sheets for my use alone, I'm sorry to say they'll have to stay for my games alone (please don't contact me personally, I won't be sharing them under any circumstances). Sorry about that.

Remember, the boardgame sheets there are there only on the sufferance and courtesy of the publishers. Let's not antagonise them about it.

Cheers folks, hope this clears up your questions.

Once again Universalhead shows that he is a class act.

Universalhead is a major talent. He has an uncanny skill for this stuff. Telling someone to "go make their own" is like telling someone to paint their own The Last Supper if they want it so badly, when you know DaVinci has one that is nearly perfect just sitting in his garage.

I was lucky enough to print off a hard copy of UH's WFRP 3 player aid before it was taken down. It is near tatters now, but I doubt I could play the game without it. I sure don't want to. I use it all the time and yet I STILL BUY JUST ABOUT EVERY WFRP3 PRODUCT! It sure ain't preventing me from buying more stuff.

The only way that I can describe the player aid to those that have never seen it is you know the movie Pulp Fiction where they open and look into the briefcase and their faces are bathed in a golden glow because they see something amazing that the audience doesn't get to see? Yeah, well, I feel like that. Whatever you imagine about this player aid, it's not even close. Imagine away, you will not realize the level of awesomeness.

This is the best player aid Universalhead has ever done, and that is saying something. He has created many spectacular, and, like Arkham Horror for instance, even legendary player aids.

Please FFG, pay Universalhead one dumptruck full of money for the player aid and then sell it to us.

The rule summary for WFRP 3rd ed made by Universalhead is still in the internet if that is what you are looking for

It shouldn't be. I asked everyone to not share it, and I would consider it a personal favour it if anyone hosting it takes it down immediately. If you come across it, please let me know so I can ask them to do so.

Anyway, despite the generous and kind hyperbole, that first released version is full of errors and is incomplete. You'll make mistakes in your game if you use it.

I too was lucky enough to get the player aid and even with errors it was pretty **** nice. That said, I would gladly pay FFG for a professionally printed version of whatever UHEAD is currently using. His stuff is designed so elegantly, I think anything else would be a let down.