Dam said:
#1: get the rules right
#2: win
rest being of immaterial importance. To my view of looking at games, if you don't care about the rules, you don't care about the game.
i cant agree with this- i played HFG wrong for about 3 months before i realised i was messing the timing up- still had a lot of fun
so my list would be
#1 immersion into the atmosphere and theme (what i would call fun)
#2 rules
#3 winning
mr.thomasschmidt said:
Glaurung said:
I know Tragic long time and i even use to talk to him by skype many times. He always do mistakes and many times i told him about it.
But in this video Tragic make a lot of Big mistakes what is really surprise me…… But there is no tournament system so who really cares….
Quest log
I got Boored point when he told me long time before about Quest log:
All quest log results is wrong cose people dont know the rules well. So after watch Mitch and ko videos and some Tragic videos i understand Boored point.
If most active players on this forum play wrong, so how about others players?
Mtg community is different cose if you play wrong you will just lose all the time and there is no fun to play. And tournaments teach you really fast. But in this game everything is different. Here is different kind of players.
I use to play cards game more then 10 years and my approach to the game is different from players like Mitch for example.. I play MTG really serious. Then i use to play LOTR TCG Decipher and also i was tournament director of Decipher. I use to play many tournaments and play world cups where 1 small mistake or wrong rules understanding cost you and your team a lot. You opponents is strong and if you dont know the rules well you have no chance……
Many players here just dont understand me………But as Tournament Director i cannot just ignore mistake of some players. This is natural think. Like birds is flying, director is watching and count all mistakes. This is like a second skin.
For example i remember all Lotr cards game text. I dont to look on the card text for me is enough to see the picture. But this is how you train your brain to be a good player. You must know the cards, you must feel the flow of the game. And you must know the rules like 2+2=4. Otherwise you will never be a good player.
In all good times i use to take 6 sides dice roll and every mistake in your game cost you 1. If you reach 6 you lose. Doesn matter even if you still in the game and game going well. 6 mistakes you lose!
But as i say is different approach to the game. Just a fun or as a sport.
let me tell you one thing Boored. There is no point casting pears before the swine.
Better to be a pig than a ****…
personally i think this is all an elaborate plot on tragic's and booored's behalf to get more forum time…..****! why didnt i think about that for my tolkienology series haha
Dain Ironfoot said:
but there is a difference between rules and card text. and there is a huge difference in missing a rule, missing card text and not "caring" about the rules -- "not caring" is something that certainly can't be assumed from simply making a mistake or missing card text, or just being plain forgetful.
To me there isn't. Game rules are added on/changed/whatever by card text, they are very much part of the rules as a whole. Actually think rules themselves people probably have down to a T fairly soon after they've played the game (esp. a game like LotR which has specific phases for stuff), so all you really have to pay attention to are the cards.
Dam said:
Dain Ironfoot said:
but there is a difference between rules and card text. and there is a huge difference in missing a rule, missing card text and not "caring" about the rules -- "not caring" is something that certainly can't be assumed from simply making a mistake or missing card text, or just being plain forgetful.
To me there isn't. Game rules are added on/changed/whatever by card text, they are very much part of the rules as a whole. Actually think rules themselves people probably have down to a T fairly soon after they've played the game (esp. a game like LotR which has specific phases for stuff), so all you really have to pay attention to are the cards.
but to paint a broad brush, blanket statement that "people don't care" when all they (probably) did was make a mistake, is arrogant, dismissive, and ultimately, unhelpful. why you feel the need to do so is, frankly, beyond me.
Dam said:
To my view of looking at games, if you don't care about the rules, you don't care about the game.
to explain my view i wright so many words but you was really short and really come to the the point. Shoot the apple!!!
Good Point Dam!
mr.thomasschmidt said:
Glaurung said:
I know Tragic long time and i even use to talk to him by skype many times. He always do mistakes and many times i told him about it.
But in this video Tragic make a lot of Big mistakes what is really surprise me…… But there is no tournament system so who really cares….
Quest log
I got Boored point when he told me long time before about Quest log:
All quest log results is wrong cose people dont know the rules well. So after watch Mitch and ko videos and some Tragic videos i understand Boored point.
If most active players on this forum play wrong, so how about others players?
Mtg community is different cose if you play wrong you will just lose all the time and there is no fun to play. And tournaments teach you really fast. But in this game everything is different. Here is different kind of players.
I use to play cards game more then 10 years and my approach to the game is different from players like Mitch for example.. I play MTG really serious. Then i use to play LOTR TCG Decipher and also i was tournament director of Decipher. I use to play many tournaments and play world cups where 1 small mistake or wrong rules understanding cost you and your team a lot. You opponents is strong and if you dont know the rules well you have no chance……
Many players here just dont understand me………But as Tournament Director i cannot just ignore mistake of some players. This is natural think. Like birds is flying, director is watching and count all mistakes. This is like a second skin.
For example i remember all Lotr cards game text. I dont to look on the card text for me is enough to see the picture. But this is how you train your brain to be a good player. You must know the cards, you must feel the flow of the game. And you must know the rules like 2+2=4. Otherwise you will never be a good player.
In all good times i use to take 6 sides dice roll and every mistake in your game cost you 1. If you reach 6 you lose. Doesn matter even if you still in the game and game going well. 6 mistakes you lose!
But as i say is different approach to the game. Just a fun or as a sport.
let me tell you one thing Boored. There is no point casting pears before the swine.
Better to be a pig than a ****…
Im sorry my friend but……. Im always prefer to be a **** cose im a man. So if you are prefer to be a pig is up to you.
Edit- never mind im staying out of it
Well, since you put it that way Glaurung then…no not really. A **** doesn't make you a may cause everyone can get one of those. What makes a man a man is his actions through life. And don't try and hide behind your "my English is bad but improving" excuse. First of all, it's not that much better since you began at this forum. Secondly and most import, it's not the language that makes your statements so poisonous but the spirit you write them In. Over a year you have spewed you destructive meanings and critics at everyone else and that would never change or be taken in any other way even if your English should some day improve. And all that crap about playing for 10 years, really serious, tournament master bla bla bla doesn't give you any right at all to think you are the god of this game. So how about getting a life outside this game and this forum, try and get some friends and see how it is to be a nice guy, or just a human being to begin with. But of cause,if you act like you do here at the forum I can understand that you don't have any friends in the real world and why this game is the only "friend" you have…
Hmmh, I'm always glad when someone points out a mistake I made, so I can avoid them in the future.
Of course I am also glad when said person takes the time to spell this out in a polite way that doesn't make me look like an idiot. After all it's not that difficult and doesn't even depend on your gender.
everyone makes mistakes… this is the point… rich and G and dan say they don't but that is bull, the fact that it is solo means if you make a mistake YOU NEVER NOTICE.. so you probably think you are playing right but i assure you, you aren't. Spesh G who claims such a win ratio.. he for sure is cheating.
If you make videos like tragic and those cardboardof the rings guys, then you are opening yourself to the public, and people pointing out when you suck. That isn't being mean.. your the one that is sucking and getting it wrong.. not them
Tragic is a bit better at this than the cardboard guys, even though he gets more wrong, as he is just having fun, despite what dan thinks.. winning and rules are WAY down the lsit of what makes a game good. The Cardboard guys put on all these airs liek they are telling us something, talking with all this authority when they are way way way worse players than most of the people that post on this forum.
I think that is what pisses me off and probably what anoys G as well.. if your going to post and set yourself up as a authority on the game then yes.. you should probably NOT play liek a total pudding.
booored said:
everyone makes mistakes… this is the point… rich and G and dan say they don't but that is bull, the fact that it is solo means if you make a mistake YOU NEVER NOTICE.. so you probably think you are playing right but i assure you, you aren't. Spesh G who claims such a win ratio.. he for sure is cheating.
If you make videos like tragic and those cardboardof the rings guys, then you are opening yourself to the public, and people pointing out when you suck. That isn't being mean.. your the one that is sucking and getting it wrong.. not them
Tragic is a bit better at this than the cardboard guys, even though he gets more wrong, as he is just having fun, despite what dan thinks.. winning and rules are WAY down the lsit of what makes a game good. The Cardboard guys put on all these airs liek they are telling us something, talking with all this authority when they are way way way worse players than most of the people that post on this forum.
I think that is what pisses me off and probably what anoys G as well.. if your going to post and set yourself up as a authority on the game then yes.. you should probably NOT play liek a total pudding.
theres no point in me repeating something ive already said so heres one i made earlier:
"i also know all the cards off by heart and am a very competant mathematician and on the vast majority of occasions play correctly, but that still doesnt mean that i dont make mistakes- everyone makes mistakes"
richsabre 2012
please read my posts…and while were at it what makes you so in the know? can you refer me onto one of your vids? and done bother to say im not experienced in card games…im aware of that….lets talk about booored for a change
booored said:
If you make videos like tragic and those cardboardof the rings guys, then you are opening yourself to the public, and people pointing out when you suck. That isn't being mean.. your the one that is sucking and getting it wrong.. not them
booored is completely discussing side issues that no one is raising (and it comes as no surprise that he is dodging the real issue here -- that he's less than polite/constructive).
as far as i can see, not a single soul has said putting videos out there for the universe to see doesn't open yourself up to criticism. i'm pretty sure most have acknowledged that, certainly I have, certainly the COTR guys have, and many, many others.
the issue, that you continuously ignore, is that you, again, are beyond utterly rude in your comments which makes you less than unhelpful for anyone on these boards/YouTube/elsewhere. someone should have taught you a long time ago you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
"you are the one sucking and getting it wrong…not them" -- and you are the one "sucking" at being constructive, building a positive gaming environment where all can come and learn how to be better players, better parts of a gaming community, etc.
again, why you feel the need to constantly denigrate others is disturbing and if you truly want to add value to the boards, try being constructive, polite, and helpful in your comments. you can get the same point across, without pissing off everyone in the process.
Kay, if I should ever plan to submit a gameplay video (to become an AUTHORITY!), I'll let it check by my lawyer first, just so that no one gets offended in case there's a mistake in it.
I guess there's only one way to solve this problem: Tragic has to realize that he's a - uhm - pudding and joins Rodney Smith's Watchitplayed, now that he realizes that his effort to share his fun with LOTR LCG utterly failed. Together they can produce like - what? - thousands of thousands of - silly! - mistakes. Starting with a review of Rich's bestseller "Breaking the rules without noticing - don't mess with the ally trait".
booored said:
everyone makes mistakes… this is the point… rich and G and dan say they don't but that is bull, the fact that it is solo means if you make a mistake YOU NEVER NOTICE.. so you probably think you are playing right but i assure you, you aren't. Spesh G who claims such a win ratio.. he for sure is cheating.
If you make videos like tragic and those cardboardof the rings guys, then you are opening yourself to the public, and people pointing out when you suck. That isn't being mean.. your the one that is sucking and getting it wrong.. not them
Tragic is a bit better at this than the cardboard guys, even though he gets more wrong, as he is just having fun, despite what dan thinks.. winning and rules are WAY down the lsit of what makes a game good. The Cardboard guys put on all these airs liek they are telling us something, talking with all this authority when they are way way way worse players than most of the people that post on this forum.
I think that is what pisses me off and probably what anoys G as well.. if your going to post and set yourself up as a authority on the game then yes.. you should probably NOT play liek a total pudding.
Things I have learned from Booored's criticism to make better videos:
- Begin each video explaining that I am a "way way way worse player" than most people who post on the FFG forums. Hopefully, doing that will ensure that as few people as possible are exposed to my terrible gameplay and close out of the video as soon as they can.
- Be sure to remove any hint of enthusiasm, energy or passion from my voice, because I don't want to come off as an "authority"
- No matter how many mistakes other players make, they will always be better than me (this is a highly logical statement)
Some idle thoughts:
- I've never once described myself as an "authority" on this game.
- Booored has spent over a year critiquing almost every single player that ever posts anything on these forums - hasn't he been trying as hard as he can to seem like an "authority" himself? He will deny this, I'm sure, but really, think about it.
- Is Booored jealous that there are people out there that respond positively to me, or Tragic, or COTR, whereas most posters tend to think he's an ignorant troll that continues to run these forums into the ground?
Hmm.
TheLightdarker said:
i was going to say exactly the same thing… but you beat me to it. maybe booored doesn't bother listening to your podcasts, but he would have got that if he did. none of the COTR guys pretend they are anything other than fans of the game
but seriously… people need to stop feeding the trolls in this place. Booored and glaurung like being the centre of the conversation. they like it when people argue with them. that is probably the whole reason why are so rude all the time, because they get more enjoyment out of provoking people than they than do talking about the game.
but i do agree with booored on one thing… in his signature he says that the FFG forum software isn't very good (in a totally rude way, obviously!) but he's right… because we desperately need an "ignore feature" -- so we can block people like him and glaurung
what disappoints me most of all is that decent people who know a lot about the game dont bother coming here anymore, purely because of the bad vibe that they generate. i have seen people say that exact thing on COTR's facebook page -- so it is definitely true. they are slowly ruining the forum by putting good people off sticking around. i have only been contributing to this forum for about a month, and already i am sick and tired of every conversation turning into a "booored and glaurung, why are you so rude?" argument. it gets boring very quickly
I think better we stop this kind of things here. Anyway we will not come to any solution here. I try to explain my position but i dont think my English is good enough for that ( here Mr Shmidt is right). Problem is, we just blame each other and we not even really hearing each other. This is pointless! Specially when i see most of conclusions of players about my motive is so wrong!
Better stop it!
Now we have a new Amazing hero as Elrond coming. Cool card! Look like FFG start to support solo decks more and more.Maybe they understand now most of the loyal players is solo players?
Just scare for coop game. With hero like Elrond and new Glorifindel coop game can be really walk in the park. Specially for quests with difficulty 4 or less.
Also look on new Gandlalf from Hobbit set. He is also very powerful. They want to make game more easy or we will get more powerful encounter cards?
how about we talk about tragic's videos instead? that's what this thread is supposed to be about… before it was hijacked for two pages by everyone arguing about the same old people (again).
Cunir said:
how about we talk about tragic's videos instead? that's what this thread is supposed to be about… before it was hijacked for two pages by everyone arguing about the same old people (again).
Yeah - Zombie Arwen has been saving the day!
And one day I have to bring myself to actually understand this Lackey software…
Leptokurt, do yourself a favor and get into the lackey as soon as you can. It's awesome 
As I haven't really tried it in multiplayer over the net it's a treasure for solo/single play. Octgn or how it's spelled is probably a better multiplayer version BUT they don't respect the 6 month "rule" set by FFG. (A card/pack/AP/set whatever, has to be in sale for at least 6 months before getting published for this kind of software.) Tragic has a great respect for this and since it's him that makes the plugin for this particular game we only have up until Kazard-Dum. The first Dwerowdwelf pack will be updated around sep I think. Just for your info
And to Tragic, great plugin and videos. Please disregard the last two pages and continue your great contribution to create a nice, entertaining atmosphere
And to you Mitch, you have really contributed greatly to making the CotR way it is today, together with the rest of the crew of cause 
please don't let trolls keep you from the things you just posted. The rest of us like when you are enthusiastic (maybe try and throw a couple of forest snares on the G & B trolls? Could never hurt 
)
mr.thomasschmidt said:
maybe try and throw a couple of forest snares on the G & B trolls? Could never hurt )
haha i like this…well done
richsabre said:
mr.thomasschmidt said:
maybe try and throw a couple of forest snares on the G & B trolls? Could never hurt )
haha i like this…well done
Yes sounds good but……Glaurung is a dragon! Cannot snare him.
Here is another deck, this one is pretty fun, and it can slot very nicely into multiplayer with minimal alteration, just add some sentinel marks. Anyway, let me know if there are any mistakes…
Here is the deck list… I changed Heroes to Aragorn as I nvr really utilize The princes ability… and there is ample resources in this dec for the untap effect. I really only had the prince in so I was forced not to quest with him, as the "discard attachment" when reveal on the orcs that effects questing characters is a deck engine wrench. If you run aragorn, think about adding teh stone as well…
TROLL FEINT
1) Grasping Tentacle activates when the shadow card is a tentacle OR has a shadow effect. You drew "Wargs" which has a shadow effect, and hence the Grasping Tentacle should have been activated.
2) Biting Winds (?) You should discard 3 resources for each hero. You only discarded resources from one hero
3) You cast a Leadership card with a Lore resource on your very firt act!!
4) You could have won the game by discarding Stargazer!
Actually i like the idea of your deck. Very simple but also quite effective.
You open my eyes to Resourseful card which one can be really playable with SOG. Never think about this card this way. Cool Cool!
About your mistakes: yes there is some and you have more then worthy answer already without any hysteric.
Thanks G! Yeah it is a pretty fun deck, has some weaknesses but is very flexable as you can keep the core engine and deck design and compleatly change the "fringe" cards to suit what ever quest you like and even splash off sphere allies with stand and fight if you need that extra attack power or healing or progress placement or w/e… It also should fit into multiplayer decks very sug.
I would demo that but no one in my play group wants to record their voice for youtube!!
Wrong thread for my post. Moved to Plugin for Lackey thread