i'm having the same problem, still trying to track down

Truthseer Kel

Tobin Farslayer

Jonas the Kind

Nara the Fang

Tatianna

Krutzbeck

Hugo the Glorious

Lindel

Brother Gherinn

Challara

and now i'm wondering if the RTL leutenant minis will be in the conversion kit

MCollier said:

No, of course they won't!

lemme rephrase that, and now i'm wondering if cards to make the RTL lieutenant minis useable monsters will be in the conversion kit

The Goblin Archer card already eludes to lieutenants being used in 2e. Whether or not there are cards in the conversion kit for the 1e lts. remains to be seen.

Torin Negatia said:

One of the 1E lieutenants has already been spoiled as appearing in 2E (the base game, not the conversion kit), so you will be able to use your lieutenant minis.

Bleached Lizard said:

how the hell did i miss that lol, hmmm, so I suppose that means they are still using tokens for the luitenants, suppose now i've gotta hunt down those minis

Bleached Lizard said:

Oh yes, I forgot about the Sir alric Farrow spoiler.

MCollier said:

Easy for these 6, grab a copy of DungeonQuest and you'll get them. That's pretty much the only way, I doubt getting them piecemeal on eBay or something would be cheaper, plus you'll get a pretty fun game too (and cards for same heroes in Runebound and Runewars).

A question for 1e veterans: I've been considering buying the Conversion Kit, and I have a quite extensive collection of miniatures (from various game systems), so I should be able to find suitable proxies just fine. There's only one issue: size. Is the size of a particular miniature important in Descent 1e? Do all monsters take up one space on the board, or do the larger ones occupy multiple spaces? And if it is an issue, how difficult would it be to determine the sizes of the old miniatures? Would the new cards most likely indicate the size?

Walk said:

Size does matter with the miniatures in Descent. The basic units are just one space, but you have others that take up multiple spaces. It shouldn't be too hard for you to find suitable replacements, but I don't think that the conversion cards will tell you their space amount. Just go on BGG.com to see the pictures of the units, and you can do your best to match them with whatever you got.

Here is the web address to the BGG thread where I received my information on miniature sizes. This should be all you need to know to find suitable replacements.

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/789429/playing-1st-edition-converted-heroesmonsters-by-pr

Hope this helps.

Excellent, thank you! Now to ponder which miniatures to use as proxies….

I'm pretty disappointed. I put a pre-order on the conversion kit yesterday, and pulled my core game out of storage today. I know it's my fault for not following along close enough, but all the early news / rumors pointed at this being an actual conversion kit from 1e -> 2e.

Now to see about getting my deposit back.

brm130 said:

Don't be disappointed man - FFG could have easily just brought out a new version of the game, that had a lot of the same stuff, and paid no attention to existing customers. I'm really happy they're providing something like this kit, so not ALL my Descent 1 stuff is defunct. Hell, if you were a player of D&D, Warhammer 40k/Fantasy and several other games you'd be more than used to new editions rendering your previous stuff totally useless should you wish to upgrade…

For the record, I have pre-ordered both D2 and kit. I have a TON of old Descent stuff, and I'm really excited to see how the old heroes translate to the new game, and I really dig Descent a lot, it seemed an obvious choice for me. Kit cost me £22 (with free shipping ) which roughly translates to 'King of Tokyo', or other lite games. I'm fine with this. I'm expecting a LOT of cards in this thing.

I guess I'm more bummed that everything I heard up until yesterday was "Don't worry, existing players can just pick up the conversion kit and have 2e!" which was clearly more optimistic than correct.

I was totally willing to give a second edition a second chance (since I'd had nothing but bad experiences with 1e) but $80 is a lot bigger a gamble than the upgrade kit I thought I was buying.

I'll get it anyway, since I may someday pick up 2e - but this is a lot less exciting than I expected it to be.

brm130 said:

I bet your local game store has a copy of 2nd edition that you could possibly try out before buying. As to the conversion kit, I don't think the product description on FFG's page was misleading - you're not the only one with that misunderstanding, but I don't quite understand it.

I think the confusion is just the name; personally, I saw it and thought of the Talisman revised 4th edition upgrade pack, which did just that - upgrade the game from Black Industry's 4E to FFG's Revised 4E, including all the new components and rules for changes to the board. Reading the actual description on the site, there's no ambiguity, but I think a lot of people just looked at the name and assumed.

Love this conversion kit idea. It's great for people who own the 1st edition. But what if we want to use some heroes from 1st edition but no longer own the 1st edition? It would be really nice if FFG released a "Heroes of Descent 1st Edition" pack that included the cards and figures for all the old heroes.

ASFx said:

That would be great but I doubt they'll do anything like that. Personally, if I see a hero I like that I don't have, I will probably just settle for using another unused hero miniature instead.

For the heroes, at least, all of the figures are included in other games as well, witht he exception of the infamous promo figures. If you really want them, you can purchase Runebound, Drakon and DungeonQuest, and you will own almost every hero in the Descent 2e Conversion Kit. Unfortunately the monsters are not so readily available.

Of course, that's only if you need to use the correct models. Nothing is stopping you from buying the conversion kit just to have the wider range of playable characters and monsters, and substituting some other statue. Most local game stores have a good selection of figurines you can choose from.

brm130 said:

I don't know where you kept reading that, really. Every thread that got started on the subject both here and on BGG was pretty quickly jumped upon by someone saying "No, it's just figures ." Personally, I don't think FFG's original announcement of the CK (down at the bottom) was particularly misleading, either. They explicitly said that it provided "second edition-compatible cards for every monster and hero ever produced." Nothing more.

brm130 said:

I'd recommend you cancel the order, if this is how you feel about it. The conversion kit is useless without 2e, so you're literally wasting you money if you don't 100% intend to purchase the 2e base box. There's no indication (that I've seen) that the conversion kit is a limited time offer, btw. If you're thinking of picking it up now so it isn't gone when you decide to buy 2e. I expect it will remain in print for as long as the 2e base box does.

As far as having bad experiences with 1e, may I ask which aspects of the game you didn't like? Perhaps we can help you figure out if 2e will address the concerns you had about 1e before you go spending any money.

For my money, 2e looks to address more or less all of the concerns I had about 1e by the end of its lifespan. There are a couple of little things I'm not too keen on, but they should be easy enough to house rule if I decide I can't stand them.

Steve-O said:

I agree with Steve-O about not getting the conversion kit if you aren't getting D2. If you really didn't have a fun time with the first edition why are you bothering with the second??? I'm not trying to push you or anything, but it seems a little odd. Hopefully, you will see that they improved the game with the second edition. I was one of those who didn't think it was possible, but here I am trumpeting for the side of the new edition. I think that the monsters from the first edition are going to be wicked to see in the new edition with the upgrades. I just feel sorry for those who are now just jumping on board.

Too bad the Conversion Kit is not going to be in stores the same time the 2nd Ed is. Kind of dulls the release of 2nd Ed for me. I am still excited just wish they would have released them at the same time.

Malicain said:

Where did you hear this? It makes sense because there is no details on how many, and what type of sleeves will be needed.

I got the impression that the Conversion Kit would not ship the same time as the base game from this tread on the Geek.

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/827069/release-date/page/1