playgroundpsychotic said:

****, the LOTR players won too? I don't want to have to split my jackpot...

Mine had the blue sticker also. Most likely some kind of quality control or inspection marker. If I had to guess, something like this:

A number of packs were produced and sealed, then some kind of defect was discovered. The packs were then opened, the issue fixed and then re-packaged. The reworked packs were then marked with a blue dot.

Just a guess...

Just to point out a few things:

• It is not a choice to not let IE users to use the site. The point is: if something doesn't work with IE, I will not waste time to get it to work for a ton of reasons, most of all because every version of IE has a different behaviour and I can't mantain so much code.
• It is NOT true that IE is the most used browser, go check the stats. Mobile browsers and Chrome are way more used than IE, and for god's sake it was time!! Rather than focusing on get things to work on a dying browser, I'd rather focus on make things work on rising ones.

I will just check the login issue, then it's up to Micro$oft to make things work like everybody else.

Mobile yes because of ipad and google soft. But in PC world there is still big gap between new browsers and IE. Additionally IE is standard in offices as it can be easily security customized. According to compatibility I found chrome, opera much worse than IE as on a lot of sites they basically don't work. So I had to remove them. To be honest the only working alternative for IE is FF. Just change login to standard one and i'm pretty sure IE will work as well.

I have been running my Dragon fingers all over the new clutch of cards this weekend and I must say Lions of the Rock is like AGoT porn... and I am not even into blondes. Seriously, Baratheon and Stark better get greased up fast because the Lions are coming, and they are in heat for some **** your hand intrigue challenges! Personally, I am not so worried as I plan on just burning the little frackers. Overall the Lannister set looks like good fun for the meta!

berto said:

Berto, I'd like you to gather some info before speaking for the tenth time. You may want to check browser usage shares here . If you'd done it before, you'd notice how not only IE is NOT the first browser in usage if you sum the other browsers, both gecko and webkit based ones (wich, FYI, are faster and way more secure than IE, I swear it is the first time I hear IE is easier to configure for security!!!) and that the ones that I support on agotcards, but you'd noticed also that IE is in FREE FALL since years! Now I just wanna ask you how many sense does it make to support a dying software.

Another question, because you speak like someone who saw the source code of the site: how do you know that fixing the login will also fix everything else? I can garantee this will NOT be the solution, because there are so many aspects (CSS supports, geck/webkit only features such as reflections, javascript support and so on...) that you are not keeping into account. Please believe me if I say that this is an (unnecessary, IMHO) pain in the a*s. I give you a couple examples:

1. OVERLAYS: they're all done with the same script. If login's one doesn't work, what make you think the rest will?
2. Heigth-sensitive css setups: IE differs in heigth management from all other browsers, so vertical alignements would ALL fail.

In the end, I challenge you to find a site that works on IE and not on Chrome. Unless you refer to old web 1.0 sites with non-well formed HTML inside (non-xhtml compliant) wich IE managed to read because it autocompleted the HTML, bringing certains so called "developers" to write non well formed code and, therefore, no good code at all.

If I had a dev team I'd be glad to take all of this things into account, but sadly I do not have one. So I must spend my time in the things I think it is worth to.

By IE security I meant readiness for profiles and compatibility with rule enforcements (all based on Windows 2008 AD). You can do this on corporate level only with IE. This is the reason that all offices based on AD and Windows Network (majority of business at that moment) uses IE as the only web browser as it can be easily controlled. I would be very cautious before statements dying browser. It is not dying one and in opposite I think it will be still used on PC based environment.

Statistics are different on different pages look for example here:

http://www.pcwelt.de/news/Browser-Charts-Chrome-bald-beliebter-als-Firefox-3465007.html

There IE is still on top 1 with big gap between 2nd one.

Í know that you don't like M$ but your opinion are far away from facts. I understand that you don't want users to use IE as it will make development more difficult but don't depreciate facts as an explanation of your lack of lust or free time.

Again I didn't write and look to your code. I wrote a lot of web sites all worked fine with any browser, even thought that sometimes there were differences. If your remove login problem IE users at least will be able to see something, even this first page with links. It will be better than nothing at least don't you agree?

Regarding chrome there were many sites which didn't work as example I can give you my two ebanking sites postbank.de and ing-diba.de. Both don't work with Chrome but there are many others. For few weeks I opened them with FF but at the end I remove chrome having no reason to have it as is much worse than FF and doesn't work on many sites.

berto said:

Unfortunately for you, I work for a bank as developer. Do you know why many online banking sites don't work with all browsers? Because they develop to be shure that they work fine with one or two, to avoid surprises, preventing other browsers from accessing them using filters. Luck of time? Luck of lust? Who knows.

That said, the stats you posted simply confirm that IE is in decline, while Chrome is rising up.

I'm not going into technical specs again, because I don't think people from this forum are interested in them. Just a few words before letting this topic go and definitively surrender to the fact that I think you've to learn a lot (btw: can you send me some link to your 17 sites? I'm curious).

Even without taking into account the fact that you think on windows server based architecture (which are dying too, btw, because linux based archs are way more solid and cheap), I said why I do not support IE browser (assuming that it is a browser), putting detailed arguments on the table. I'm sorry to say that you were not able to disprove any of them, you just said that you build sites (in asp, sic!) and they work. But what kind of sites? Which technologies do they use? I'll stop here, you know the rest.

Last thing: my stats were from google.com user agents access, something like bilion hits everyday. Where are yours from?

That's enough. If you wanna talk more about this, you know where to find me

Just wondering, when is agotcards.org going to be made compatible with Netscape Navigator?

goshdarnstud said:

QFT!

goshdarnstud said:

Is it not compatible with the last version of Netscape? It was a Firefox 3.5 based browser, if I recall. I would assume the site still works with that, though I don't have Netscape installed at the moment to make certain.

When is agotcards.org going to play AGoT for me on OCTGN?

http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-monthly-201012-201112

According to this IE is far and away the most used browser for PC's. When you include mobile browsers and other such things I would not be surprised to see it with lower numbers, but with competing statistic citations it seems like there is definitely some disagreement. They determine their stats on the basis of more than 15 billion hits per month, by people from all over the world onto their 3 million+ member sites. The information is pure and unweighted.

I completely support your right to choose whatever browsers you want to support and develop for. The community as a whole is lucky to have people like you who are willing to put their personal time into this game for the improvement of everyone's experience.

That said I will not use or recommend a cite that requires a login. There is just no reason for it. I get enough online and offline people asking for personal information including email address. I will never give it to a unknown private third party. I was not particularly pleased with having to do it here, but forums become overrun with spam if they don't require some sort of membership and account verification. I just want to look up cards.

Thanks for your effort.

penfold out.

Penfold said:

Doesn't that statistic support his point? That IE is on the decline?

This thread is so off topic that I believe it is time to call someone a Nazi to complete the derailment...

Tokhuah said:

I agree.

What are everyone's top 5 cards of the set and why? It seems hard to even limit it to that much though, I feel. This is a good set! Lannister is definitely back with a bang.

Mine:

#1 Iron Throne:
Herp derp, a free cancel every turn. Seems like it will really mess with come into play effects. I can't wait for the situation where the opponent runs 3x pyromancer's apprentice for their location destruction slot, and you have this. Reminds me of Prince's Loyalist if anyone remembers that guy.

#2 Brothel Guard:
One of the most annoying cards ever printed IMO. I feel like it's too good to not add here, though it is a pretty boring card.

#3 Bronn:
Surprise. The ability sounds good on paper, but I feel like in actual application it will be a lot better than it sounds. There are so many useful characters that Bronn can just chump block and kill. He has good synergy with 'You Swore an Oath', which is nice, because I bet Lanni Knights will make a resurgence after this. 4 gold for an ally makes me cringe a little, but this is definitely a card worthy of the awesomeness that is Bronn, chances are, he will change the flow of the game when he comes into play.

#4 Tyrion:
I really like Tyrion because it seems like he'll function well as a subtheme, and not only in clansman decks. I am quite happy with running Mountain Refugee x3 and Burned Men x3 in most Lannister decks, and Tyrion just fits right in. Kneeling a 0 cost character for a save is nice, or even the Burned Men, because Tyrion can have it participate with him anyway. All icon stealth is also nice. Oh! And the learned crest! Why not!

#5 The Art of Seduction:
This one is solely for the fun factor, though it is one awesome card. Everyone runs valar, so catching Valar with this is a thing of beauty. Even if you don't catch Valar, you delay it by a turn, which is nice. People have mentioned having to get stuck dealing with a plot like retaliation, but at least you most likely get to take initiative in the next turn if you want it, which seems like a pretty huge advantage to me.

On the decline but still 10% more market share (and Firefox is also on the decline). Since he made to statements of fact 1 that IE was third behind Chrome and Firefox, and that IE was on the decline, I would say that it only supports one statement of fact.

I think by the end of this year Chrome will have about 10% higher market share than FF and less than 5% below IE (possibly even a couple of percentage points above it). I don't like IE. I want to be clear about that. So I'm not some fanboi. I want Chrome (my browser of choice at home) to reign supreme. I find the attitude of 'I refuse to support that browser because I don't like it,' annoying and a bit elitist. Like I said though, he is providing everyone else a free service and there are other services for those of us who have issues of one sort or another. I still applaud his work. It is far more than I can or am willing to do.

Lets get back to discussing how Cersei is ridiculously awesome and my hand now fears hear.

I'm posting here to try and mark this topic as read for me. :/

Rave said:

#1 - Totally agree. An amazing card.

#2 - solid, but like you said fairly boring.

#3 - Horrible. Can't get behind a 4/3 cost ally with a situational ability, especially since Lanni has approximately 80 really good unique 4-cost guys. If he had stealth, maybe. If there wasn't a TON of deadly out there, maybe. Fun idea though!

#4 - Solid for sure. Very solid.

#5 - So tough - I love the plot, but it doesn't make the top 10 of my most wanted plots for Lanni right now. Your Valar reasoning is good, and it is one of those feast or famine type cards. I can see it basically winning games, but usually games you are looking pretty good already on. When it is even or you are slightly behind, you are going to catch a Fear of Winter or Retailation or the wuch.

On my side I would say:

#1 - Iron Throne. No issues there.

#2 - Small Council - easily the most meta-changing card out there right now. I should probably make #1 considering it will affect more games.

#3 - the 3/6/1 plot (sorry, horrible with names) - with the agenda, just crazy.

#4 - Cercei - again, will win games. Lots of them. I usually can't put 4-costers up so high, but seriously...

#5 - Doubting Septa - One of the best weenies ever. Card draw. Holy crest for Confession. Goes back in your deck. Love it.

To be honest, more solid cards than game breaking ones (i.e. Kevan who should make every Lanni deck). Many are situational (Only Game that Matters can basically win a game, or be worthless - same with the 3/5/2 gambit plot). I was surprised at how few made it into my deck, rather than in that pile that is 0.01% off being in the deck.

rings said:

This is interesting. Defending against a non-deadly character really doesn't seem all that situational. I can see many decks, like maesters or baratheon rush hardly slotting deadly at all. He is also a tri-con, so you are going to have to attack with a deadly character or stealth him in 3 seperate challenges to not lose a character to his ability if you plan to get all 3 challenges off. Even then, you may have the opportunity to defend with other deadly characters of your own. I do agree that the ally trait on a 4 cost character is a dealbreaker if there ever was one, but man... the potential!

I was also really happy to see doubting septa! I like how Lanni has some really great characters in the 1 slot to offset all of their great 4 cost characters for purposes of setup. I feel like I could run 2 sets of 1 cost guys and still have a pretty powerful deck.

I also agree Frey Hospitality + Power Behind the Throne + Cersei is going to shake things up for awhile. Ah, good times await!

rings said:

Rings, I know you are terrible with card names, but what in the blue hell are you talking about? Are you referring to the agenda, "The Power Behind the Throne"? ~Because I can totally see how those are similar phrases.

goshdarnstud said:

Yeah, he's talking about an old agenda called The Small Council. It was something like: you get another intrigue challenge per round but cannot collect unopposed power.

Rave said:

Ummm...I wrote what I meant. But why...there I have to take the 5th...a better name for the Agenda regardless.

Rave - you got me thinking a little more on Bronn, that since he is a tri-con it is hard to stealth by him ALL the time. Too many ways to deal with him for my tastes though (4 cost ally being the biggest), and there IS a lot of deadly out there IMHO.

And 100% agree on the Lanni 1-costers. I had 13 of them in my first deck before weeding it down a little (3X of each of the 3 types with +1 gold, 3X Septas, 1X Tommen), with another 6 staring at me (3X the new deadly and 3X the refugees) trying to get in! The 4 cost and 1 cost slots take a LOT of pruning for Lannister.

Rave said:

I have to agree that he is not necessarily horrible. He may supplement certain deck themes decently. Like mentioned earlier, with You Swore an Oath, you won't be seeing any attacks against you while he is out unless they can combat the Deadly keyword. If you have Paper Shield or dupes on him, you can protect him from Dissension. Maybe if you're bold, you can Old Nan his ass and remove the Ally trait each Marshaling phase. Maybe you can include Calm Before the Storm to protect him one round and then discard the opponents hand that same round.

He is expensive, but he is tricon, deadly, 3 STR and a neat ability. It is frustrating to hear that a card is bad because of a trait. Shrug.

rings said:

Ah - but I would hope you will be playing Casterly Rock to give all Lanni Uniques Stealth!