Hi all,

Becoming increasingly frustrated at FFGs failure to make an announcement on a reprint for the Clash of Arms cycle. In short, I do not have these cards. Other people in my meta do have these cards. I wouldn't say this ruins the game for me, but it does afford some people an edge that I don't have access to.

I wouldn't mind if FFG had announced that they were going to be reprinted, as it's a matter of waiting but knowing I'll eventually get my hands on them, but thus far nothing has materialised.

If there's no announcement on this cycle by March, I'll be pushing our local TO to ban the Clash of Arms cycle from our organised play. I know this won't be a popular decision with some people, but they've had two/three years to play with those cards and they will still have them for casual play.

Wonder if anyone will be adopting a similar stance with their local meta?

Nitro Pirate said:

All of the Chapter Packs from Clash of Arms are available from FFG. They are also on eBay, usually about $10 a pack.

You may not personally want to buy these until they are reprinted, but the other players in your meta all bought the ones that are available now, so I don't see how they have "an edge that you don't have access to."

Nitro Pirate said:

If someone tried to do this here everyone else would grief them in melee games until they begged to have the cycle back.

Just suck it up and buy the cards already...

I think Nitro Pirate is based in the UK, where Clash of Arms has been pretty much out of stock and unanvaliable since around September last year. I was one of the lucky few who managed to get my hands on the last few chapter packs avaliable (via amazon and various online retailers), but in the end, I had to order the remaining chapter packs from eaglecard.org in Austria - they don't cost that much more than they would at RRP in the UK.e

Regardless, I dont' feel that having the Clash of Arms cards are *that* much of an advantage - ever since the fury plots were restricted, there are only 7 or so cards from that cycle that are run in my meta - there's just so much better things to run in the other sets.

Amazon has many option for acquiring packs from this cycle:

www.amazon.com, Category: Toys & Games, Search: clash arms thrones

I really don't know why you're so pessimistic about this. Of the two announced reprints, Defenders of the North came out less than a week ago, and Lions of the Rock will hopefully be coming out in the next few weeks. Once that's out, what does FFG have coming out for AGOT? They'll need to announce some new stuff soon, and I don't know why you've written off the Clash of Arms and Time of Ravens reprints as the likely next major announcement.

IMHO ACOA cycle is bad. Since restriction of Fury's maybe use one or two cards of entire cycle. Isn't necessary a reprint. A Time of Ravens x3 is most necessary for new players.

Agree that ACoA is not not as important as the Time for Raven CP cycle, but it would certainly be nice to have that black sheep of the family to finally be redeemed in matching looks if not in content.

As has been said several times in multiple threads, the cycle is available.

To put it bluntly, until you can't find them from EU or FFG online stores there is no point in complaining about it, no one is going to give you much sympathy.

Looks like several places are running out on the first few packs of A Time for Ravens, including FFG which lists A Song of Summer and The Winds of Winter as Out of Stock. I still think the announcement of reprints should be forthcoming.

There is plenty of it floating around amazon, ebay, and many many gaming stores in the US and Canada. I think it will take another year of growth and adding new players who start buying it up for it to deplete far enough to justify a reprint. FFG has so many games to keep alive, plus releasing new ones. I just don't think its a priority right now.

Since we are unable to get hold of any of the Clash of Arms cycle and only A Change of Seasons and Refugees of War from our supplier (UK) I just direct our customers to ebay where they almost certainly find them, usually for only slightly more than they would have paid if we'd had them on the shelf.

I don't think that cycling them out when they are still readily available, if slightly less conveniently than picking them up at your FLGS, is something I would ever consider here.

Out of curiosity, which cards do you feel put you at a disadvantage?

When I first looked at this thread, I ran up a list of about 15 cards that I thought were good and came from this cycle. As I continued to look at them, I started about how new cards either filled the same roles, or shut them down. Pyromancer's Cache is a great example of this. Obviously it is good enough draw to be restricted, but the maesters can match its potential, and eliminate it from play at the same time. (Ironically I remember PC being the restricted card for many maester's decks since they could easily recur it, and put it into play ignoring OOH penalties)

The problem with other cards on the list, is that they already came 3x so no disadvantage there.

The Fury plots don't matter at 1x since you can only use one per plot deck.

Old Nan would be nice to have multiple copies of, but if you desperately need her, you can always run search (I am pretty sure search is a Stark strongpoint now)

In all, the only group of cards I can think of are the "To Be" events. But even they are limited by the need for certain plots to be in your used pile. I mean how many new Military Battle plots are coming out to fuel that second turn To be a Wolf. Seems like anymore, the opening plots are At the Gates, or Loyalty Money can Buy.

Maybe I am missing something,

KU

You can get all 6 chapter packs on ebay. Often they are from US sellers like lotusvault but the price (even with postage) is reasonable and often still cheaper than you would get from a UK supplier. Also Eaglecard.org have all 6 chapter paxks for sale (based in austria but very efficient and helpful)

As for banning them we wouldn't do that in our local meta even if they truly were unavailable. There are still enough cards outside this set to make competetive decks.

until or unless banner and bannerman traits get a little more love, i dont see much here that is really wort the grief. sure, compelled by the north, to be a wolf and the undeadlying wolves of sacred bonds are useful to stark, and only 1x in tose packs... but hardly the end of the world in 1x in your deck. i mean, does anyone actually run a competative direwolf deck...

RobotMartini said:

To Be A Wolf is a pretty staple card for Starks.

No, it isn't. To be a Wolf seriously restricts Stark's Deckbuilding and playstyle because you have to run the Fury (or Oxcross, probably the only other 1st turn playable military battle) first turn. If you run the Fury, it means you're not runnign another restricted card (Fear of Winter/The Cache/Narrow Escape) that Stark decks would gernally find more important. If you're running Oxcross, you're starting with a relatively subpar plot that can backfire really badly on you.

Tomdidiot said:

Different strokes for different folks... To Be a Wolf is pretty staple in our meta. Most of the time I just run the Fury (and I don't find it as inferior to most other restricted cards as you make it out to be).

Not to mention the fact that the Stark fury just got a lot more useful, at least until everyone 'figures out' the meta shakeup caused by LoR.

I was looking through some of these cards on cardgamedb, and the artwork is just stupendous! I really want to get these cards reprinted just so I can have these pretty cards - with white borders - in my hands!

I get the impression the original poster couldn't get his first copy of those pack, not just the 2nd and 3rd. I'm a recent player based in EU as well, but I got all the packs I needed (those not on the shelves) from eaglecard (the site is run by the guy who organizes Stahleck, by the way). Note that eaglecard is cheaper (even including shipping) than physical stores in the bargain.

Ok, would you point me to ANY, literally ANY retailer who sells the Sacred Bonds or Ancients Enemies chapter packs?

Because I have looked everywhere, including eBay, and they are nowhere to be found.

I hope they reprint these because it really is an unfair advantage for veteran players, and kind of a turnoff for newcomers who want to be on equal footing.

I completely disagree with banning Clash of Arms.
FFG needs to reprint it.

I strongly oppose any sort of set rotation in this "Living Card Game".

LaughingTree said:

Time and availability is the "rotation" for a living card game. If someone is relying too much on Clash of Arms card, chances are, they are ignoring something more current - so use the more current stuff they are ignoring and beat them over the head with it! If individual cards from old sets become too powerful in the current environment, FFG can restrict or ban individual cards.

After all, it's not like the answer to the ridiculously powerful and efficient Jaqen H'gar was to make sure everyone had 3 of them in every deck - he was banned to fix the problem, not made more readily available. If Bear Island or To Be a Wolf gives Stark players too much of an advantage over new players, I'm not sure how making sure new Targaryen and Martell players can get copies of the offending cards helps solve anything.

It was my understanding that having access to the same card pool as everyone else was part of making it a Living Card Game which sets it far and apart from MTG.