muemakan said:

Fatty said:

I just realized that I wouldn't have been able to engage both trolls in the same turn, so that wouldn't have been possilble anyway.

I think this was my last try for today......but a rather good one.

Heroes: Eowyn, Bilbo, Beravor (3 core setss + 2 APs)

Wounds: none

Victory points: 3

Rounds: 7

Final threat: 15

Total: 82

Got Grimbeorn out in Turn 1 but didn´t bother to spend the 8 resources.

Encounter cards were:

1. Bee Pastures

2. Gladden Fields

3. Massing at the night with led to another Bee Pastures

4. Oak-wood Grove

5. The Brown Lands

6. Oak-wood Grove again

7. Sacked on Bilbo ( poor Bilbo spent the last 2 turns doing nothing, just sitting there and looking at things....just like the late kim jong )

8. Muck Adder

2 shadow cards were drawn.....one troll got Goblin Snipers and Muck Adder got Misty Mountain Goblins.

Heroes : Aragorn, Theodred, Eowyn (3 core set + Hunt for Gollum AP)

Final score of 106

Round Markers : 8 (80)

Final threat : 26

Wounds on heroes : 4

Victory Points : 4

Total : 106

muemakan said:

You could have discarded Bilbo's "Sacked" card once you defated a troll.

I don't understand what you mean with "two shadow cards were drawn" - surely there were more shadow cards in play? One for each toll makes four plus one for the Muck Adder is five. And how could you get both Grimbeorn and Bee Pastures in turn 1?

Much better today, would have been done a round sooner, but a hill troll came out during the round I thought I would finish the last of the big four off. Threat: 31; damage: 2; dead Heros: 0; rds: 110; victory points: 7, (gladden fields; hill troll). Final score: 136. Heroes, Aragorn; Eowyn; Eleanor.

leptokurt said:

You can only discard sacked if you defeat a troll........I wash´t sure if this also applies to trolls killed with direct damage, so I didn´t discard it.

Only one troll attacked me in my last turn. The Muck Adder was my last encounter card and did attack me too.....although I noticed if I played GG earlier this turn, Muck Adder didn´t even had to attack me as I would already been on a threat of 15.

I got Bee Pastures as my first encounter card and travels to it......searched for Grimbeorn and put him into play. ( But dindn´t put one token on him in the course of the game.)

muemakan said:

Ah, ok. I read it as if you engaged only one troll and killed the others while they were still sleeping.

I think I read somewhere here that an enemy is defeated once he has enough damage markers on him. Should be the same as with locations - they can also be explored while they're in the staging area.

Anyway after loosing game after game with a hobbit deck, I tried it the other way around - only the strongest and fittest shall survive! And they did!

Heroes: Gimli, Aragorn, Beravor

Hero Threat: 24

Hero Damage: 0

Roundmarker: 80

Victory Points: 3

Result: 101

Believe it or not, I played it as a 4-sphere-deck. Had 10 spirit cards, hoping for my only Celebrían's Stone to appear - it never came. But fortunatly I had Protectot of Lórien and could use all those blue cards to boost my willpower. Beravor used her ability A LOT, and Gimli got boosted by 4 HP and 3x Dúndedain Mark. Got all my two Sneaks and two Gandalfs (one in the last round!). Daughter of the Nimrodel healed Gimli just in time. Also had 2x Feint, one was played on Louis. also got 2x For Gondor!, and Steward of Gondor was in my starting hand, which made things of course easier.

Encounters:

1. Roasted!

2. Goblin Sniper (engaged and killed next round)

3. Gladden Fields (travelled to)

4. River Langflood (travelled to)

5. Banks of Anduin (travelled to)

6. East Bight (travelled to after exploring the Carrock + leaving 1 progress token on the questcard)

7. Oakwood Grove

8. Oakwood Grove

9. Wargs

The last troll, Rupert, had a Misty Mountain Goblin as its shadow card, but thankfully I had played my last Feint on him.

After about 25 tries I ended up getting 82.

Heroes used: Beravor, Legolas and Theodred

Threat: 40

Hero Damage: 2

Victory Points: 0

Rounds: 4

Encounters:

Sniper

Roasted Slowly

River Langflood

A Frightened Beast

My strategy was based on getting the cards necesassry to take out the 4 trolls in one shot as soon as they came out.

To do this my main cards needed were:

2 Sneak Attacks, Gandalf, Beorn, Thicket of Spears, 2 Grim Resolves.

These were the main cards used to win, I got Theodred producing 4 resources (with steward) per turn early to be able to take out the big combo later.

When the 4 trolls came out I used Thicket to dodge attacks and then used Beorn's Action and 2 Grim resolves to take them all out.

Da_Engineer said:

To play Thicket of Spears you must use ressources from 3 differents heroes, and only one of your heroes produce "tactic ressources", so you can't play this card with your choice of heroes.

I always thought that since it asked for 3 different heroes it meant that one of the heroes had to be tactic and that you had to use heroes of the other two regardless of the sphere.... But ya that makes sense but isn't this card 100% useless then? You can never use it if you are a 1 or 2 hero team and nobody would ever make a 3 tactic hero team.

Back to the drawing board I guess, now I need to replace thicket by 4 meatshields/feints for the same strategy to work. Not sure if I want to redo an entire run, I was at it all day lol.

Da_Engineer said:

sorry for my last post.......hit the wrong button.

muemakan said:

Funny thing, I din´t even notice the problem with Thicket of Spears.

But how on earth did you manage to kill them all in one turn. Had a similar approach once but could´t kill more then 3 in one turn.

This would mean you must have explored Carrock and had everybody to fight at the start of the combat phase........

Also you only listed 4 encounter cards.......which means it would only took you 3 rounds to finish this quest.

And how did you quest for enough willpower to overcome the 8 threat the trolls would contribute and finish the Carrock. You must have quested for 15 willpower?????

muemakan said:

I brought in Gandalf and Beorn together with sneak attack and I had 2 Grims which means...

Gandlaf attacks 3 times, Beorn 3 times, Legolas 2 times, Beravor 2 times and Theo 2 times.

12 + 24 + 6 + 4 +4 = 48 damage + gandalf's 4 damage = 52 damage without counting anything else.

The quest is only 1, all I need is for Legolas to participate in 1 kill to complete the quest which is also why I need to have the right setup to kill them as soon as they come out.

I don't understand why you say it took 3 rounds? It's 1 encounter card per round, I was in round 4 when I completed the quest.

Da_Engineer said:

But Carrock is the active location at this point and requires 6 progress to clear, which you need to do before you can put progress on the quest. Further, Legolas can't put any progress on it due to its text and don't think Legolas gets to bypass Carrock and put them on the quest either.

Thicket of Spears was a coaster card until the Song of Battle came out, now I include it in my Tactics/Spirit deck.

Dam said:

Just wanted to ask about the Legolas being able to explore the Carrock. Looks like I played it right, thanks for clearing that issue.

@ Da_Engineer: Welcome! Even if your apporach didn't work due to some rule misunderstandings, it's still a great way to solve this scenario. You could still play 3 Feints (you apparebtly have more than one coreset), suffer one attack and then kill'em all plus one more turn to explore the Carrock (in which you can play Gandalf again to lower your threat. I your example you could have got 81 points.

Muemakan was asked about the number of rounds because you add the10 points at the end of each round (during the refresh phase). You had 4 rounds = 40 points which means you completed 4 rounds, being in the 5th in your last turn. In your example you only had to add 30 points.

Da_Engineer said:

Seems while I was busy getting my english together, already two posts addressed some of the problems.

What other allies did you have to fight the trolls, cause your still lacking some 2 attack strength to kill the trolls.

And how did you quest in your last round? Did you have a protector of lorien?

But again, a great way of approaching the scenario.

muemakan said:

He didn't have to quest against the trolls because he explored 1B and engaged all the trolls in the following combat.

I think Engineer quested with Théodred only, using Beravor's ability to increase his card pool. Legolas killed the Sniper for 2 progress, so he only needed 5 progress in round 4 to accomplish 1B. He had 18 cards of which he used 9. In round 4 he had to send Théodred, boosted with PoL. He had to challenge a threat of 4, so he needed 9 WP to get to stage 2B. He discarded 8 cards and had thus one single card left unused. So potentially there was at most one ally in the game.

So how did he kill the trolls? Say he had a Dwarven Axe Warrior as his ally. He must have attacked Morris first to get rid of his defense bonus. He needed an attack value of 14 to kill him. If he used Gandalf's ability on Morris, he only needed 10 attack points. Gandalf has 4 attack points, Beorn and Legolas both have 3. So Morris was toast and he used Grim Resolve. Now the order of killing the remaining trolls didn't really matter. 13 attack points were needed to kill a troll, now that Morris was gone. However, there is no possible combination that allowed him to kill a troll and add some extra damage on another troll. There's still Beorn's ability though. Say he used that on the third troll, then he only needed Beorn (8 AP), Legolas and one other character to kill the third troll. That leaves Gandalf (4 AP) and one character (2 AP) to eliminate the final troll. That's not enough by far.

So yes, there still should have been a fourth troll left.

I put together a slightly different deck but would like to clarify a few things before even though I took out Legolas.

Doesn't Legolas' ability allow him to put tokens directly on the quest? It doesn't say location, it says quest? This is the only reason I took Legolas because I thought he could bypass the location and put tokens on the quest itself, hence saving a round.

For killing all the trolls I don't remember exactly because I played like 25 quick games but I either had a card like blade mastery on Beorn or the Gondor one on all or the +1 to attack attachment or the card that refreshes an ally.

Thanks for the feedback though and saying the strategy was good, makes me want to try agaiin cuz all that work for nothing yesterday kind of turned me off lol.

And your summaries are pretty dead on as to what I did bar a couple things.

Da_Engineer said:

If there's an active location tokens go there first. It's adressed somewhere in the rules and I think there's something in the FaQ.

But I am not sure if there's an official ruling on Legolas and The Carock location.

Only thing with your deck is the total luck dependancy.

Seems you can't afford one bad encounter card and your carddraw must be nearly perfect.

Well the only cards I need for sure are 2 sneak attacks, Beorn, Steward, Gandalf and Thicket I think (obviously I now know this doesn't work).

I just tried out my new deck, I basically took out the cards I needed to see what's the best score I can get and what cards I need and I was able to get 75 with 5 turns, 37 in threat, 2 damage and a Hill Troll dead.

The cards I need to come out are about the same: 2 sneak attacks, Beorn, Steward, Gandalf and 2 Lore of Imlandris which is really not that bad with Beravor in play.

I replaced Legolas by Gloin.

This one is a lot less luck dependant and it should consistenly get sub 100 imo.

Da_Engineer said:

Hi Da_Engineer, I want to echo the Welcome! Glad you're here!

Also, your strategy sounds solid, and I'd like to try something like it myself if I have the chance. I've been way too Grimbeorn dependent. I mean, I love the guy, but sometimes one can't afford to wait around all day just hoping he'll make an appearance.

Anyway, before I post your score to the Top Ten, I just wanted to clarify...

1) Was your last post an actual game or were you explaining a new theory/strategy? (Sorry I'm confused. I just wanted to make sure.)

2) Also, isn't Beorn a Tactics ally? By replacing Legolas for Glóin, did you have a Tactics resource pool available to play Tactics cards? I was thinking your other two heroes were Beravor and Théodred. Am I missing something?

Thanks, and again... Welcome!

Just wanted to answer a few rules questions that came up in this thread:

Legolas' ability cannot put tokens on the Carrock (it's unclear whether those tokens go on the active quest or if they are simply wasted).

Tokens that get put "on the current quest" get put on the active location first, if there is an active location. Effects that remove tokens from the current quest remove them from the quest card. Effects that remove tokens from the active location will not affect the tokens on the quest.

Thicket of spears requires 3 Tactics heroes to use, but a hero with Song of Battle counts as a Tactics hero, so it's maybe not entirely useless.

juicebox said:

Hey, thanks for the welcome!

It wasn't an official score, I tested the deck by picking my starting cards (If I get the 6 I need, I'm pretty much set) just to see how good my deck was. It was a theoretical score. (IMO to figure out if a deck with worth playing, it's good to see the theoretical best score)

Beorn is Tactics but I play Sneak Attack to actually bring him in which is leadership.

I did my first official game with my last deck and got the following:

Heroes: Beravor, Theodred, Gloin

Thread: 48

Rounds: 4

Damage: 4

Victory Points: 0

Total score: 92

I got pretty unlucky with my picks but got good encounter cards:

Grimbeorn, Sniper, Pastures, Freightened, Misty Goblins

I'll give it a couple more tries but don't think I will give too many tries.

Da_Engineer said:

You mean 4 turns !?!

What is the Lore of Imladris for?

And how do you get such low threat if you´ll take 12 threat from the 4 trolls that attack you?

And don´t forget you´ll need the Protector of Lorien to quest......I guess...... and the Grim Resolves to deal enough damage and some allies to block the trolls.

After reading your posts I tried out my deck which had the beorn-Grim Resolve tactic again......sadly couldn´t get a score under 92.