Happy new year to all; peace, prosperity and whatever you desire.

A question about timing:

I played the FoS adventure and, at one point, The Shivering Bank quest dictated to reveal 2 cards from the encounter deck and add them to the staging area. Those two were Deep Deep Dark and Durin's Axe, both of which feature Surge. What I did step-by-step was:

1. Revealed both DDD and DA simultaneously and put them to the staging area.

2. Since DDD was the first of the two, I resolved its surge keyword. Then, its "when revealed" part (the card that came up with the surge was a Nameless).

3. I resolved DA's surge keyword.

Was I correct in the step order?

And another question, since too many months have passed since I last played the game and memory is getting rusty:

If, during the quest phase, I put more progress tokens than those needed to beat the quest and a new quest is instantly revealed, any extra progress tokens put in the previous quest just disappear and do not carry over to the new one, right?

Serazu said:

No. The first card was DDD and you resolve "When Revealed" effects first, then you resolve the surge, which brings Durins Axe, you resolve DA Surge and it would bring the nameless enemy. That would conclude the first draw, then you draw the second card.

You must be right about the "two cards" thing, since logic dicates that firstly the first card enters play (triggering all there is to trigger) and then the second one follows (much like in the AGoT LCG). But are you absolutely sure that the "When revealed" part of DDD takes precedence over its surge? The rules state that the surge should come last, but the faq state that

"Surge, Doomed, and Guarded keywords should be resolved any time the card on which they occur enters play, including during setup".

Doesn't this mean that the surge should be resolved the monent the card enters play? Unless the purpose of the above passage was just to inform players that the surge always takes place and has nothing to do with timing - as far as timing goes, we stick to the original rules where surge comes last.

Thanks.

The FAQ entry you quoted just clarifies that those keywords should be resolved during setup, too. Regarding the timing, we should stick to the rulebook and resolve the "when revealed" effect first then the keywords.

Thank you for the answers. This question was left unanswered though:

And another question, since too many months have passed since I last played the game and memory is getting rusty:

If, during the quest phase, I put more progress tokens than those needed to beat the quest and a new quest is instantly revealed, any extra progress tokens put in the previous quest just disappear and do not carry over to the new one, right?

And a few more question, concerning the SaF adventure, which I just played for the first time:

1. The Rear Guard: Since I beat the "Nearing the Gate" quest during the quest phase, I instantly revealed TRG. Since, during that victorious quest phase, I had used a hero and the phase was not over yet, I used TRG's Forced effect at the end of it and placed the 4 tokens on the quest. Was I legitimized to do it?

2. Even if Durin's Bane is at full health or, at least, in more than 0 hp, I may still beat the above quest and proceed to the next one, as long a I place 16 tokens on it. Correct? The text in bold is just a "boon", if I manage to reduce TDB to 0 hp.

3. What happens in the highly unlikely scenario where I manage to banish TDB via the DP, but I 've yet to put the 1 token needed on the "Last Lord of Moria"? Does the game go on till I put the token on it?

Serazu said:

Right, they don´t carry over.

1. Yes

2. Yes

3. I play it that way. There was some discussion about it and I can´t remember if there was a clear ruling from FFG.

Many thanks to you.

Another question, concerning Peril and Pelargir and the abomination named Collateral Damage (which cost me a game btw just before questing to victory):

What happens if one of the initial 2 cards drawn from the encounter deck is another CD? Technically, those 2 cards hit the discard pile, so there would be another CD in it, the one just drawn. Do I discard an additional 2 cards then? To give you an example, let's say that a CD is in my discard pile and I draw another CD. I resolve its effect, which calls for discarding 2 cards from the encounter deck plus another 2 for the CD already in my discard pile. So I get to discard 2 + 2 cards. Among those 2 + 2 cards another CD is drawn. Since it hits the discard pile as well, do I draw another 2 cards for a total of 2 + 2 + 2? And another + 2 if another CD is drawn and discarded?

And some more concerning Pickpocket’s shadow effect; since objectives attached are considered attachments, may I opt to discard the scroll and return it to the staging area? May I also discard the Local Trouble condition with his effect? I admit that thematically it doesn’t make sense for a pickpocket to steal conditions, but since no distinction is made in his text, may I use his effect to my benefit to get rid of LT?

Serazu said:

As the card is worded I think you must discard 2 cards and if one is a CD it will count for the additional cards. So 2+4 in your example.

I guess "his attachments" means attachments controlled by that player. And if that is the case you can/must discard the scroll but it

would not affect local trouble.

As fas as CD is concerned, I believe we 're saying the exact same thing. As for the attachments, what you say makes sense.

Some new questions:

In Peril in Pelargir 3B quest card, the first enemy to hit the staging area immediately attacks the scroll bearer.

1. Is he dealt a shadow card?

2. May the bearer opt not to defend the attack? Let's say for instance that the bearer is Frodo who can choose to avoid the damage anyway.

Concerning the Durin's Bane attack in SaF 3B quest card:

3. Is he dealt a shadow card?

I 've just found in the faq that I deal a shadow card to them, so the first and last questions are answered. Has anyone got an answer to the second one?

horico said:

2) I tried it. It takes away the element of surprise during the combat. So it is pretty much predictable. you know what to expect.

Serazu said:

Of course you can.

Regarding Harbor Thug's Shadow effect, let's say that I opt to defend its attack with a character other than the one who has the scroll. That character has a Defense 2. Does the Thug damage the scroll bearer for 1 (the defender counted its Def anyway), 3 (the Thug does all its damage to the bearer) or 3 - the bearer's Def damage? I think that the first instance is the correct one.

Resolve the attack normally as if damage were going to be placed on the character who is actually defending. Then place the actual damage tokens on the character with the scroll, instead.

Example: if attack 3 is, and Aragorn defends (2 def), there is 1 resulting damage. Harbor Thug's shadow effect causes you to place that 1 damage on the hero with the scroll, even if that hero is Dain or Beregond, who have more defense.

Just as I presumed. Thanks.