Into shadows - 2 gold

out of shadows - n gold, where n is the number next to s on the card.

Twilight Market can reduce the cost of putting it in

any reducers for bringing it out- I guess fiefdoms and the like don't work?

(I'm this has already been answered many times, but i couldn't find it anywhere)

Hidden Chambers from the City of Secrets chapter pack is the only one that I'm aware of.

Mighty Jim said:

Neither the timing nor the effect of standard reducers like the Seas or the Fiefdoms works with Shadows. For one, reducers say "lower the cost to play", but bringing a card out of Shadows is a "put into play" effect - so they aren't applicable. And by the time you can trigger the reducer during the phase, your chance to bring a card out of Shadows for that phase has already passed. (BTW: That's why you won't find a specific entry anywhere saying "Fiefdoms can't be used to bring cards out of Shadows"; the card text and timing rules cover the question.)

Should also be noted: Hidden Chambers will only reduce the cost of bringing a card out of Shadows via the Shadows framework at the beginning of each phase. If a card has an ability that allows it to come out at another point -- Meera Reed or Ser Mandon Moore for instance -- you cannot reduce the gold needed to trigger that ability.

Similarly, the one gold extra you have to pay while using the CIty of Shadows agenda only applies during the framework; Meera costs the same.

alpha5099 said:

But why is that so??

City of shadows agenda says: Whenever you bring any card with a "House X only" restriction that does not match your House card out of Shadows, pay 1 additional gold.

Meera says: Bring Meera Reed out of Shadows and into play by paying the rest of her gold cost.

Bringing her out of shadows with her effect should meet the "whenever" criteria from the agenda

The same with hidden chambers... why can't I reduce the rest of her gold cost from 1 to 0?

Because you're paying for her ability, not for bringing her out of shadows, so neither the agenda's penalty nor Hidden Chambers' reduction apply.

mischraum.de said:

That "Any Phase" timing trigger makes all the difference. Let's say I have an event that says "Any Phase: pay 1 gold to choose a card in Shadows and bring it out of Shadows under your control." Would the Agenda apply to that and increase the cost of the event to 2? It says "bring out of Shadows," so don't I match the "whenever" statement? But how do I know whether or not the "House X only" restriction applies to the card, especially if I choose someone else's card in Shadows? Similarly, does Hidden Chambers apply to this hypothetical event? It results in bringing a card out of Shadows, but my action here is to play an event card, which Hidden Chambers does not say it applies to, doesn't it? For Hidden Chambers to apply to an event card or other effect that results in a card coming out of Shadows, it would need to be worded more like Wildling Wisewoman (ie, "whenever an effect would bring a card out of Shadows...").

The "Any Phase" on Meera's ability makes her the same thing as the hypothetical event which has so many problems being tied to the Agenda or Hidden Chambers. You are triggering a card effect, not "bringing the card out of Shadows" as an independent mechanic. As such, the cost you are paying is the cost of the character effect rather than the cost of the mechanic to bring her out of Shadows. Since the Agenda and Hidden Chambers do not specifically say they apply to the cost of card effects that result in a card coming out of Shadows, they do not.

It is not a reduction, but as I see the Plaza of purification also can be used to get Army characters out of shadows during Marshalling.

"During the marshalling phase, you may pay any amount of the gold cost of Army characters using influence instead."

So at the very beginning of the marshalling you usually do not have gold. But you most likely have influence. So you can pay the gold cost of the Army in Shadows with influence to get it out.

"...you may pay any amount of the gold cost of Army characters using influence instead"... of what?

I wouldn't go for your interpretation. Just like "lower the cost" always refers to gold costs, not any other kind of cost (influence, knelt characters, etc.), unless the card specifically says otherwise, this sort of thing refers to the gold cost to play the Army. Bringing out of Shadows is putting into play. When you are talking "Marshaling phase" and "gold cost," you are talking about the cost to play.

But send it in since the card could be worded much better.

Miklos said:

That is not a bad question to ask or at least consideration in how to use plaza of purification. I bet the intent is for "playing" Army characters, but since it does not explicitly say that, gold cost replacement is gold cost replacement me thinks.

But rules and text in this game are always interpreted under an "unless it says you can, you can't" default, rather than an "unless it says you can't, you can." So the "it doesn't explicitly limit you to gold cost to play, so it must work to bring cards out of Shadows" line of reasoning is generally not as consistent as the "it doesn't explicitly say it applies to bringing cards out of Shadows, so it doesn't" line.

ktom said:

Then by that logic, you can't marshal Army characters in this manner because it doesn't say that is how you are allowed to spend it using influence. My point is that it isn't an unreasonable interpretation to ask for clarity about. This card was released long after the Shadows mechanic was introduced, so unless it says how the knelt influence is used as replacing gold cost in marshaling, it isn't unreasonable to wonder if you can use it to bring an Army out of the shadows at the beginning of the Marshaling phase.

I asked the FFG already, waiting for the answer.

Subject: Re: Fantasy Flight Games [Rules Questions] - A Game of Thrones LCG
> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:58:25 -0600
>
> Yes, you can use influence to pay the gold cost of bringing an Army
> out of shadows in the marshalling phase.
>
> Nate French
> Senior Game Designer
> Fantasy Flight Games