Arianne Martell card (rules questions)

By nachof, in A Game of Thrones: The Board Game

I have a couple of questions after my first game with Martell (second game overall, but first was a 4 player game).

1) Tyrell attacks, Martell plays Arianne, and loses. Tyrell can't advance into the area. What happens to that area? If there is a token, does it remain? If there is no token, I assume that control is lost (because Martell has to retreat anyway).

2) Tyrell attacks an area that has a Consolidate Power order token. Martell plays Arianne, and loses. Martell retreats. If we assume that in (1) Martell keeps the token he had there, what happens to the order token? Can it be resolved later even without troops there? What if Martell later moves troops into the area?

3) Tyrell attacks, plays Loras. Martell plays Arianne, and loses. What happens with Loras' ability? I assume Tyrell either can't move the token and has to discard it, or can move the token and it's not resolved anyway because there are no troops. Is this correct? Another interpretation would say that Loras' ability means he keeps his token in the source space, but a strict reading of the card doesn't seem to support this.


Thanks.

nachof said:

I have a couple of questions after my first game with Martell (second game overall, but first was a 4 player game).

1) Tyrell attacks, Martell plays Arianne, and loses. Tyrell can't advance into the area. What happens to that area? If there is a token, does it remain? If there is no token, I assume that control is lost (because Martell has to retreat anyway).

2) Tyrell attacks an area that has a Consolidate Power order token. Martell plays Arianne, and loses. Martell retreats. If we assume that in (1) Martell keeps the token he had there, what happens to the order token? Can it be resolved later even without troops there? What if Martell later moves troops into the area?

3) Tyrell attacks, plays Loras. Martell plays Arianne, and loses. What happens with Loras' ability? I assume Tyrell either can't move the token and has to discard it, or can move the token and it's not resolved anyway because there are no troops. Is this correct? Another interpretation would say that Loras' ability means he keeps his token in the source space, but a strict reading of the card doesn't seem to support this.


Thanks.

1. The area isn't conquered, so the token remains.

2. If there is no troops, orders can't remain and are lost.

3. The area is not conquered, so the ability of Loras doesn't match. "If you are attacking and win this combat, Move the March Order token into the conquered area (instead of discarding it). The order March may be resolved again later this round."

Actually, that is incorrect. We had this question on another forum and someone sent into FFG for an official answer. This is what they said...

"The token is still removed. Arianne's text ability simply prevents the winning units from occupying the newly won area. But, in all other cases, they are still considered to have won the combat and should follow the rules accordingly."

So the power token and the consolidate power order would both be remove during the combat cleanup phase as normal. Your third question is a bit more difficult, but I think I saw that answered somewhere. I'll see if I can find it.

By the way, FFG has requested we send in any questions we have using their rules question form sothey can use them to help build their FAQ.

Where is the Rules Question Form?

Found It!

Rules Questions HERE:

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_faq.asp'>
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_faq.asp

Greetings kinghts! I am a great Martell fan (not of the real house, because I have never read the books or watched the serie), and I want to be sure if I understan exaclty thi card.

If I already have a power token, it remains when my units retreat, because opponent's ones can't march in, and I think this is clear. But...
If I have a castle (like it happens yesterday), or another area, and I lose the battle using this card, can I place a power token on it in order to keep control of the area? Because I say: «I put a power token when I leave , battle or not, winning or losing». Am I wrong? No one yesterday said something against my play, but we are new at this game.

I hope no one said it before and I misread.

P.S. I beg your pardon for my English, if it is bad :)

Greetings kinghts! I am a great Martell fan (not of the real house, because I have never read the books or watched the serie), and I want to be sure if I understan exaclty thi card.

If I already have a power token, it remains when my units retreat, because opponent's ones can't march in, and I think this is clear. But...

If I have a castle (like it happens yesterday), or another area, and I lose the battle using this card, can I place a power token on it in order to keep control of the area? Because I say: «I put a power token when I leave , battle or not, winning or losing». Am I wrong? No one yesterday said something against my play, but we are new at this game.

I hope no one said it before and I misread.

P.S. I beg your pardon for my English, if it is bad :)

Per page 24 of the rulebook:

Important : A player may only establish control when vacating an area with a March Order. Events that would leave an area vacant (such as negative effects from a Wildling victory) does not permit a player to establish control after the last unit is destroyed.

I totally miss that passage! Thanks a lot :)