Some rules clarifications

By ultimax, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

My playing group ran into a couple of situations where we were unsure what the official rules were. Hope someone can clear it up for us. Thanks in advance.

1. Does the Stannis card which has the effect "Players cannot draw cards through card effects" apply to card draw granted by agenda cards such as Kings of Summer?

2. Can someone use the redirect granted by the crown reagent title after that military challenge has already been redirected by the Commander of the Kingsguard title?

3. If a character is attached with "The Burning Sword" and the "immune to card effects" effect is triggered, what exactly is the character immune from? If the character has other attachments already on it, do the effects of those other attachments count?

ultimax said:

My playing group ran into a couple of situations where we were unsure what the official rules were. Hope someone can clear it up for us. Thanks in advance.

1. Does the Stannis card which has the effect "Players cannot draw cards through card effects" apply to card draw granted by agenda cards such as Kings of Summer?

2. Can someone use the redirect granted by the crown reagent title after that military challenge has already been redirected by the Commander of the Kingsguard title?

3. If a character is attached with "The Burning Sword" and the "immune to card effects" effect is triggered, what exactly is the character immune from? If the character has other attachments already on it, do the effects of those other attachments count?

1. not sure but id guess the agenda wins that battle. i have no reasoning as to why though. EDIT: Found it -

FAQ
(4.11) Agenda Cards
Agenda cards are not considered to be in play.
Further, the effects of an Agenda card cannot
be canceled

2. no, crown regent can only be used before defenders are declared (core rule page 18).

3. 'card effects' is a near universal term that encompasses both in-play card abilities, and out of play cards yet to be played such as events.There is a great section on immunity coverage in the FAQ on page 8. http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/agotlcg/support/LCGFAQ_3.0_Low_res.pdf

1. Actually, Stannis wins against the Agenda. The card drawn for the Agenda counts against your draw cap of 3 extra cards from card effects during the round. So we know that card is drawn by a card effect (the Agenda not being in play doesn't stop it from being an actionable card effect). And Stannis is not canceling the draw effects - he is making them not initiate in the first place. Essentially, Stannis will stop anything that will count against your draw cap - which includes Agendas.

2. As dh said, Crown Regent is only allowed to redirect the challenge immediately after attackers are declared. Since the Lord Commander can only redirect challenges after defenders are (not) declared, you are waaay past the time to use the Crown Regent at that point.

3. Card effects are indeed any effect that came from a card (as opposed to a rules document). Characters, events, plots, Agendas, pretty much everything. So Burning Sword makes the character ignore the effects applied to it by any card, friendly or otherwise. The only exception is the character's own abilities. A card can never be immune to itself.

On point 3...I can't imagine that the +2 STR given in the same effect as the immunity would be nullified by the immunity otherwise FFG never would have put them in the same effect together. However I can't figure out why that is. Is that +2 STR somehow not considered an effect? A little help would be appreciated.

Well, if the attached character was immune to the +2 STR from the attachment, by the same reasoning, wouldn't the gained immunity make the character immune to gaining the immunity, too?

Essentially, since the +2 STR and the immunity are granted by the same effect/resolution, the +2 will not be ignored any more than the immunity itself will be.