Just wondering the best way it would work.

I figure Renegade with lots of assassin-type skills and sniper Talents. There's Vindicare armour and Exitus Rifle/pistol in the DH Asension book. Assuming you use something like Wealth to aquire one (and use the Trading Rules), the ammo looks so specialized that the weapons would be pretty much useless. You'd use up a clip then have to adventure to find more

Also, it mentions that Vindicare gear is gene-coded. Would mutations mess up the gear so it wouldn't work?

Lecram said:

Personally, I would say no. If the player kept begging I would say OK, but you are now being hunted by the Vindicare Temple. They will do anything in their power to destroy you. Do you understand and still want to play one?

I would tend to be harsh about gene-coded items and their interaction with mutations.

It's easier to make a Renegade Vindicare Assasin. Although its really dificult because of hypnoconditioning, brain-washing, mind-wipping etc, it can happen.
I once read about a Renegade Callidus Assasin who had to raid Adeptus Mechanicus facilities from time to time in order to keep her body stable, as she was using mega-metamorphine, an experimental drug from metamorphine.

About gene-coded items... you can try yo hack them but it will need a really skilled Fallen Magos especialized in forbidden machine spirits used to hack or destroy other machine spirits. You can also try to bind a Daemon inside the Vindicare Rifle ir order to obey you. About the ammo...it will be almost imposible for you to find the standard one, not to talk about the special bullets; its only produced for the Temple. So, you will surely have to produce it by yourself.

And of course, the Assassinorum Temple will eventually know about you and will send other Assasins to finish you. In the end, you wont be able to hide for them.

CruelGM said:

In the end, they may not be able to hide from you! Don't buy into the OA's hype - they are not all-seeing and all-knowing, and there just isn't enough of them to be everywhere. Since you know where at leas some of the Temples are, lead your Black Crusade right down their throats!

Interesting, the "new post" was my own post so it doubled...

HappyDaze said:

This better be a truly mighty Black Crusade. Assuming you plan to take it using ground forces to gain all the arcane technology they keep there of course - even a Vindicare can't dodge the Exterminatus

Other than that, well, you're not in a very good position. I wouldn't really worry about the Officio hounding you if you're okay with keeping to the Vortex, and even in Imperial domains it's bloody hard to find a single man, especially if that man is trained to be the ultimate assassin.

But there are other problems. If you plan to keep using this awesome gear, expect the Dark Mechanicum to take your soul and your ass both as a payment, and then you'll still be indebted to them. All the warlords of Chaos might get seriously paranoid about you - anyone who knows about the Officio would also know it's operatives aren't exactly known for getting corrupted, and thus might suspect you're an infiltrator. Those who believe your story about falling to Chaos after the Imperium killed that Farseer, the only woman you've ever loved (sorry, couldn't resist) might still be upset about having the universe's best sniper within a few kilometers' range of themselves.

If you really like the idea, go for it and enjoy the ride.

A lot of the foes of the Imperium get by due to not being considered important enough to warrant the big guns - insurrections on backwater planets not crucial enough for a Space Marine insertion, ganger scum not rotten enough for Arbites raids, heretics not evil enough for an Inquisitor to handle. An ex-Vindicare is not going to receive this treatment, mainly due to being an embarrassment to the Templum. As soon as reports of him filter up through the imperial intelligence, the Temple will take action.

Of course they will take action, but I don't think they'll go as far as to try and extract him from the Screaming Vortex. And once he's there, he can potentially pop up anywhere in the Imperium, so unless the Officio has a galaxy-wide version of the Echelon system, they're not going to catch up to him too quick.

Two words: Ordo Sicarius.

God **** it. This idea about playing Vindicare is getting more and more appeling ;D

I was playing in ascension renegade but not chaotic Vindicare (his name was Livi if you maybe heard abouth him ;>) maybe he turned to chaos and he is waiting to be used in BC, becouse thoes are great ideas you throw.

Morangias said:

That's Clade Vanus' job.

They kill you with information.

Blood Pact said:

Information is Ammunition.

I think there's a few points to consider if tackling this in-game.

Firstly, the Officio Assassinorum do not just send their agents out randomly - they are deployed to tackle high risk or important targets, and the best type is picked for the job. For example, you wouldn't send a Vindicare to take out a brood lord and his cult in a nobles' hab spire, but an eversor or even culexus would do the job perfectly. For your vindicare to have been deployed, think about what sort of target you were sent to eliminate (or possibly even protect) when your 'fall' happened. As any temple assassin would take their own life before letting themselves be captured, think hard if this is the approach you want. Were you instead tainted by some fell artifact or entity? Perhaps you had to make a choice when the carefully co-ordinated mission had a major complication, forcing you to take out Imperial agents? If it turned out you had eliminated an Inquisitor then you may have been forced to go on the run, your 'fall' forced upon you by the rigidity of the Imperium.

Secondly, how long ago did you fall? If it was a long time ago i see no problem with you not having your advanced rifle/pistol/spymask anymore as wear and tear or possibly needing to trade them for your survival could have seem them long gone. The Renegade package allows you a wide variety of weapons training and now that Las weapons can be fired in overcharge mode, a Long Las and a suit of Syn Skin would replicate the sniper/assassin vibe quite well. Just focus on Stealth, Awareness and Evasion skills, with ranged combat talents and melee evasion talents.

Finally, if you insist on wanting to have all the gear that an Ascension level Vindicare has, then consider that those characters start at considerably higher XP than a starting BC character. Maybe you still have your gear but your taint through corruption means the gene-coders won't work. Your GM could allow you to earn them back once you reach a higher level of XP through roleplaying interactions with the Dark Mechanicum. However as was said, you would owe them a grave debt. One you possibly could never repay in full.