FAQ - Getting pretty dusty

By BanthaFodder, in Talisman

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Cards and special abilities that refer to dragons, do refer to enemy with dragons wrtten on them as the statement says in the dragon rulebook, but as the second part of the statement says such cards and special abilities do not effect dragon creatures (including dragon enemies) and dragon lords in the inner region. Cards and special rules that refer to dragons can still effect dragon creatures (and dragon enemies) and dragon lords not in the inner region which is fair enough.


Now special abilities that refer to enemy dragons can effect enemy dragons in the inner region because the new FAQ says so and because there is different cards in talisman that both have cards and special abilities that both refer to dragons and enemy dragons the defore mentioned enemy dragon FAQ has to be just about them and them only?


As for the Prophetess there is nothing in the rules I can find that states "face up" means "face up on board" if I'm wrong please refer me the page number?


I hope that sums all that up :)

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Uvatha said:

Cards and special abilities that refer to dragons, do refer to enemy with dragons wrtten on them as the statement says in the dragon rulebook, but as the second part of the statement says such cards and special abilities do not effect dragon creatures (including dragon enemies) and dragon lords in the inner region. Cards and special rules that refer to dragons can still effect dragon creatures (and dragon enemies) and dragon lords not in the inner region which is fair enough.
Now special abilities that refer to enemy dragons can effect enemy dragons in the inner region because the new FAQ says so and because there is different cards in talisman that both have cards and special abilities that both refer to dragons and enemy dragons the defore mentioned enemy dragon FAQ has to be just about them and them only?
As for the Prophetess there is nothing in the rules I can find that states "face up" means "face up on board" if I'm wrong please refer me the page number?
I hope that sums all that up :)

I think you are wrong here.

You can only not use the abilities or cards effects that has to do with dragons against creatures in the inner region. ( this is about board creatures. not cards.

The dragon tower has enemies with dragon keywords. You can use all dragon objects, and abilities against those enemies.

The statement in the faq says that it is allowed to do that.

Board creatures in the dragon realm have no dragon keyword, and they are not considered as dragons.

Look at page 8 dragon rulebook, and the faq statement.

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Uvatha said:

Now special abilities that refer to enemy dragons can effect enemy dragons in the inner region because the new FAQ says so and because there is different cards in talisman that both have cards and special abilities that both refer to dragons and enemy dragons the defore mentioned enemy dragon FAQ has to be just about them and them only?
Just one question. Do you think that the Minstrel, who is not attacked by Animals and Dragons (thought he may choose to attack them), is attacked by Enemy-Animals and Enemy-Dragons? I hope not, otherwise he won't have any ability he can use. Did you need the definition in the Dragon rulebook to understand that the Base set Minstrel was not attacked by Enemy-Dragons?
So, why make this distinction?

Uvatha said:

As for the Prophetess there is nothing in the rules I can find that states "face up" means "face up on board" if I'm wrong please refer me the page number?

There might be something on page 7, but I'm not sure it can be called a "definition":

Most of the spaces on the Talisman board instruct players
to draw one or more Adventure Cards. When drawn, Adventure
Cards are taken from the top of the Adventure deck and
placed, faceup, in the space where they are encountered.

There are many places in the Rulebook where "faceup cards on space" are referred, but I'm not trying to persuade you at all costs. I'm not an English-speaker so it's not my duty to solve linguistic controversies.

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The_Warlock said:

Uvatha said:

Now special abilities that refer to enemy dragons can effect enemy dragons in the inner region because the new FAQ says so and because there is different cards in talisman that both have cards and special abilities that both refer to dragons and enemy dragons the defore mentioned enemy dragon FAQ has to be just about them and them only?
Just one question. Do you think that the Minstrel, who is not attacked by Animals and Dragons (thought he may choose to attack them), is attacked by Enemy-Animals and Enemy-Dragons? I hope not, otherwise he won't have any ability he can use. Did you need the definition in the Dragon rulebook to understand that the Base set Minstrel was not attacked by Enemy-Dragons?
So, why make this distinction?

I think at least, that there is no difference between dragons or enemy dragons.

Because the board has creatures, and dragon cards has the keyword dragon.

So minstrel can use his dragon ability only against enemy dragon cards.

But thinking about it more...... let's say that the cave comes into play from the base game. it has a dragon if you roll a 1 i believe..

Mintrel has a dragon ability, but it's still a creature, but this is what the confuse is all about i think..

And if you think about the hydra dragon, who has the word dragon in its name, the minstrel could avoid it.

But i think that this is not the meaning how the minstril must be played..

If you look to the merchant, it has the keyword, enemy dragons. strange...

Anyway, page 8 of the dragon rulebook has the answer i think. And the term dragon refers to any enemy with the word dragon in the card type box.

So... the minstril and the merchant can only avoid enemy dragons.

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Uvatha said:

The Warlock said

"The strange thing is not in the FAQ but in the new character wording. Dragon Priestess, Dragon Rider and Dragon Hunter (though not usable in Inner Region) have abilities that refer only to Dragons, not Enemy Dragons (which is the correct wording).

All cards in the Dragon expansion tend to use the word Dragon instead of Enemy Dragon, I think only to save card space. There's an important clarification in the Dragon Rulebook, page 8:

The term “Dragon” refers to any Enemy with
the word “Dragon” in the card type box. Cards
and special abilities that only affect Dragons
do not affect Draconic Lords or creatures in the
Inner Region.

The rulebook statement prevented the use on Enemy Dragons in the Dragon Tower, because they are creatures after all. The FAQ establishes that all the "Dragon" abilities are effective on Enemy Dragons in the Inner Region, but still they can't be used against Draconic Lords or creatures in the Inner Region"

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Hi Warlock,

Nice point!

After taking a look at the merchant, I think indeed that the word dragons is the new wording for the cards, to save card space.

Dragon priestess, dragon hunter etc has the word dragon, and the rulebook says that the term dragon refers to enemy dragon cards.

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Velhart said:

Uvatha said:

Cards and special abilities that refer to dragons, do refer to enemy with dragons wrtten on them as the statement says in the dragon rulebook, but as the second part of the statement says such cards and special abilities do not effect dragon creatures (including dragon enemies) and dragon lords in the inner region. Cards and special rules that refer to dragons can still effect dragon creatures (and dragon enemies) and dragon lords not in the inner region which is fair enough.
Now special abilities that refer to enemy dragons can effect enemy dragons in the inner region because the new FAQ says so and because there is different cards in talisman that both have cards and special abilities that both refer to dragons and enemy dragons the defore mentioned enemy dragon FAQ has to be just about them and them only?
As for the Prophetess there is nothing in the rules I can find that states "face up" means "face up on board" if I'm wrong please refer me the page number?
I hope that sums all that up :)

I think you are wrong here.

You can only not use the abilities or cards effects that has to do with dragons against creatures in the inner region. ( this is about board creatures. not cards.

The dragon tower has enemies with dragon keywords. You can use all dragon objects, and abilities against those enemies.

The statement in the faq says that it is allowed to do that.

Board creatures in the dragon realm have no dragon keyword, and they are not considered as dragons.

Look at page 8 dragon rulebook, and the faq statement.

Velhart said:

you are wrong here.

You can only not use the abilities or cards effects that has to do with dragons against creatures in the inner region. ( this is about board creatures. not cards.

The dragon tower has enemies with dragon keywords. You can use all dragon objects, and abilities against those enemies.

The statement in the faq says that it is allowed to do that.

Board creatures in the dragon realm have no dragon keyword, and they are not considered as dragons.

Look at page 8 dragon rulebook, and the faq statement.

Creatures are everything that can attack a character and also they are named (eg Sentinel, Werewolf the Farmhand in the Taven, Dragon in the Cave etc etc) all these creatures have keywords on what they are.. They are also creatures not enemies.

Read the rule in the Dragon rules:

The term “Dragon” refers to any Enemy with
the word “Dragon” in the card type box. Cards
and special abilities that only affect Dragons
do not affect Draconic Lords or creatures in the
Inner Region.

So the term Dragon refers to Enemies with the Dragon keyword.. Not Goblin, Werewolf or even Farmhand :) just Dragon.. Then its a full stop. Next senttance says "Cards and special abilities that only affect Dragons do not affect Draconic Lords or creatures in the Inner Region.

So Any card or special abilities that only affect Dragons creatures in the Inner Region, not just creatures that are Dragons but all creatures! full stop...

So... sigh (just to recap) creatures are everything that can attack characters but not characters.. This includes enemies.

Now the FAQ..

Q1 If a card or special ability effects an enemy dragon. can it be used during encounters on enemy dragons in the Dragon Tower?

A: Yes

Now like I said before there are cards that say "Enemy Dragon" these cards are designed to be used aganst enemy dragon cards ONLY and not any creatures that happen to be dragons (eg the dragon in the cave) and anyother furture creature dragons that have popped up un the other exspansions.

Now YES you are right that the term “Dragon” refers to any Enemy with the word “Dragon” in the card type box thats is quite right, But your not inculding that next statement that cards and special abilities that only affect Dragons do not affect Draconic Lords or creatures in the Inner Region.

Does these cards say "enemy dragons" No they say "dragons" and because there is a difference between being able to use effects against just enemy and then there is effects that can be used against creatures I thought this was a clear differance.

Like I said before if the FAQ was going to fix this issue it would of printed it straight and foward so its totally understood.

The_Warlock said:

Just one question. Do you think that the Minstrel, who is not attacked by Animals and Dragons (thought he may choose to attack them), is attacked by Enemy-Animals and Enemy-Dragons? I hope not, otherwise he won't have any ability he can use. Did you need the definition in the Dragon rulebook to understand that the Base set Minstrel was not attacked by Enemy-Dragons?

So, why make this distinction?

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No becasue The term “Dragon” refers to any Enemy with the word “Dragon” in the card type box. and no you did not need the distinction before the Dragon expansion but with it you do because of all the new rules and inner regions and characters etc etc.

Velhart said:

I think at least, that there is no difference between dragons or enemy dragons.

Because the board has creatures, and dragon cards has the keyword dragon.

So minstrel can use his dragon ability only against enemy dragon cards.

But thinking about it more...... let's say that the cave comes into play from the base game. it has a dragon if you roll a 1 i believe..

Mintrel has a dragon ability, but it's still a creature, but this is what the confuse is all about i think..

And if you think about the hydra dragon, who has the word dragon in its name, the minstrel could avoid it.

But i think that this is not the meaning how the minstril must be played..

If you look to the merchant, it has the keyword, enemy dragons. strange...

Anyway, page 8 of the dragon rulebook has the answer i think. And the term dragon refers to any enemy with the word dragon in the card type box.

So... the minstril and the merchant can only avoid enemy dragons.

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There is a difference creatures still have names, and creatures are enemy as well as spaces, spells, events and strangers.

Yes the Minstrel can only use his special ability against dragon enemy. Yes also it looks like and dragon thats is not at enemy the Minstrel and the merchant can not use their special abilities against them. I surpose thats another one for the next FAQ :)


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This is a fun topic!!! Uvatha unfortunately is completely wrong! lol I will explain later when my kids let me.

Ell.

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talismanamsilat said:

This is a fun topic!!! Uvatha unfortunately is completely wrong! lol I will explain later when my kids let me.

Ell.

Oh ok.. So the FAQ that reads:

Q1 If a card or special ability effects an enemy dragon. can it be used during encounters on enemy dragons in the Dragon Tower?

A: Yes

Means cards or special abilities that effect dragons as well. Oh I see now is it the "effects" that the key.

Cards or special abilities with the dragon keyword do effect enemy dragons and now because of the FAQ they effect enemy dragons in the dragon tower... Wow give me a penut :)

I was harping on the "enemy dragon" wording other than the "dragon" wording but I suppose now they both mean the same thing.

Phew..

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1) Dragon Rulebook page 8

Some cards and special abilities only affect Dragons.

The term “Dragon” refers to any Enemy with the word “Dragon” in the card type box. Cards and special abilities that only affect Dragons do not affect Draconic Lords or creatures in the Inner Region.

Dragon Rulebook page 16

Special abilities and effects that apply to Adventure Cards also apply to Dragon Cards but only after they have been drawn and placed on the board.

2) Dragon Rulebook page 13

None of the creatures, Enemies, or Draconic Lords in the Inner Region can be affected by any Spell, nor may they be evaded.

In summary:

1) Cards and special abilities may be used on any Enemy Dragon Cards in the Inner Region (as well as any other Enemy Cards), but to use certain ones, the cards need to be already placed on the board. However cards and special abilities that only affect Dragons cannot be used on Draconic Lords or creatures on board spaces in the Inner Region.

2) Spells cannot be used against anything that attacks a character in the Inner Region, nor may a character evade anything.

Ell.

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talismanamsilat said:

1) Dragon Rulebook page 8

Some cards and special abilities only affect Dragons.

The term “Dragon” refers to any Enemy with the word “Dragon” in the card type box. Cards and special abilities that only affect Dragons do not affect Draconic Lords or creatures in the Inner Region.

Dragon Rulebook page 16

Special abilities and effects that apply to Adventure Cards also apply to Dragon Cards but only after they have been drawn and placed on the board.

2) Dragon Rulebook page 13

None of the creatures, Enemies, or Draconic Lords in the Inner Region can be affected by any Spell, nor may they be evaded.

In summary:

1) Cards and special abilities may be used on any Enemy Dragon Cards in the Inner Region (as well as any other Enemy Cards), but to use certain ones, the cards need to be already placed on the board. However cards and special abilities that only affect Dragons cannot be used on Draconic Lords or creatures on board spaces in the Inner Region.

2) Spells cannot be used against anything that attacks a character in the Inner Region, nor may a character evade anything.

Ell.

Sorry Ell now I'm lost abit you say "certain ones" can you give me a example of a "certain one"?

Also when you say "However cards and special abilities that only affect Dragons cannot be used on Draconic Lords or creatures on board spaces in the Inner Region" It says on page 10 of the Talisman Rulebook that:

A "creature" is any encounter (other than a character) that attacks with Strength or Craft. This may include Enemy cards and also Events, Strangers, Places. Spells, and board spaces" so when you say "cannot be used on creatures" surely that means Enemy cards as well?

Or is it because the new FAQ overrides what it says in the Talisman Rulebook? Or is it the "may include" Enemy cards?

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Uvatha said:

talismanamsilat said:

1) Dragon Rulebook page 8

Some cards and special abilities only affect Dragons.

The term “Dragon” refers to any Enemy with the word “Dragon” in the card type box. Cards and special abilities that only affect Dragons do not affect Draconic Lords or creatures in the Inner Region.

Dragon Rulebook page 16

Special abilities and effects that apply to Adventure Cards also apply to Dragon Cards but only after they have been drawn and placed on the board.

2) Dragon Rulebook page 13

None of the creatures, Enemies, or Draconic Lords in the Inner Region can be affected by any Spell, nor may they be evaded.

In summary:

1) Cards and special abilities may be used on any Enemy Dragon Cards in the Inner Region (as well as any other Enemy Cards), but to use certain ones, the cards need to be already placed on the board. However cards and special abilities that only affect Dragons cannot be used on Draconic Lords or creatures on board spaces in the Inner Region.

2) Spells cannot be used against anything that attacks a character in the Inner Region, nor may a character evade anything.

Ell.

Sorry Ell now I'm lost abit you say "certain ones" can you give me a example of a "certain one"?

Also when you say "However cards and special abilities that only affect Dragons cannot be used on Draconic Lords or creatures on board spaces in the Inner Region" It says on page 10 of the Talisman Rulebook that:

A "creature" is any encounter (other than a character) that attacks with Strength or Craft. This may include Enemy cards and also Events, Strangers, Places. Spells, and board spaces" so when you say "cannot be used on creatures" surely that means Enemy cards as well?

Or is it because the new FAQ overrides what it says in the Talisman Rulebook? Or is it the "may include" Enemy cards?

Yes it's the may include part which is relevant. When the core rules talk about creatures in the Inner Region, they mean creatures on board spaces only.

Enemy Cards are not encountered in the Inner Region until the Dragon Expansion was released!

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Page 16 of the Dragon Rulebook

SPECIAL ABILITIES INVOLVING DRAGON CARDS

Special abilities and effects that apply to Adventure Cards also apply to Dragon Cards but only after they have been drawn and placed on the board.

Example: The Prophetess’s special ability states that whenever she draws Adventure Cards, she may discard one card of her choice and draw one more card to replace it. The Prophetess may not use her ability when she draws Dragon Cards.

Example: A character lands on a space with a Dragon Card and casts the Destruction Spell. The Spell’s effect allows him to remove any faceup Adventure Card from the board and place it on the discard pile. The character may cast Destruction on the Dragon Card because it has already been drawn and placed on the board.

Dragon Cards means anything that a character may encounter in the Dragon decks, not just Dragons!

Ell.

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The clarification in the FAQ specifically pertains to the Dragon Tower rather than the Inner Region; the ruling applies to both though:

Dragon Tower

Q1: If a card or special ability affects an Enemy Dragon, can it be used during encounters on Enemy Dragons in the Dragon Tower?

A: Yes.

Ell.

I think everyone understands now!!!

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Right'o' I understand now. Sorry abot the misunderstanding.

Would of been good if it said somewhere that when they talk about creatures in the Inner Region, they mean creatures on board spaces only in the Dragon rules.

But thats why there is a FAQ on it right :) hehehe it sinks in eventuality.