Maegi Crone and multidraw

By berto, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

Maegi Crone
Response: After a character's STR is reduced to 0,draw 1 card.

Can I use Forever Burning on this card three times to draw 3 cards?

If you have three Forever Burnings on your hand, and you reduce the STR of three different characters to zero, you can trigger the response of Maegi Crone three times. If you use FB on a character that already has STR 0, I don't think you can trigger the response, because you haven't reduced anything. If you flip Threat from the North, and three different characters are reduced to STR 0 by it, you can trigger the response three times - even if Maegi Crone herself is moribund at this point.

I mean in Dominance for example. I play 3 times forever burning targeting Maegi. If I do this 2nd time I reduce Maegi STR to 0 and I don't think it matters she was already 0. She checks condition character str reduced to 0 true than response can be trigerred.

I do think it matters. If her STR is 0 before FB, and 0 after FB, you havn't reduced it. "Reduce to STR 0" means "Go from STR 0 + n to STR 0, where n has to be > 0". In other words, "Reduce to STR 0" checks for two different conditions: The end result has to be STR 0, and the starting result has to be >0, otherwise you can't talk about "reduce".

But we can think about this in different way. Reducing character STR which is 0 is not negated just character STR is reduced but still have 0 not -1. So first condition is met. Now we check second condition Has character now STR 0? Yes so draw a card.

I think it's pretty straightforward. "After a character's STR is reduced to 0, draw 1 card." If you play FB on a character with STR 0, you have chosen a character as the target for a strength-reducing effect. You have *not* reduced that character's STR to 0 however, because clearly - STR before effect is 0, STR after effect is 0, ergo no reducing has been going on.

Now, if Maegi Crone read "After a character is chosen as the target of a STR reducing effect, and if that character's STR is 0 after the effect resolves, draw a card", then you'd have a point.

To me, the term "reduce" clearly signifies a negative change of a quantity, in this case a character's STR value. If the quantitiy in question stays the same, there's no reduction, if there's no reduction, the play restrictions for Maegi Crone are not met.

I may be wrong, of course. Maybe ktom can shed some light on the matter. If not, feel free to send it to FFG. But to be honest, I feel pretty confident I have the right of this.

Berto; there's a distinction between "Reduced, and its strength is 0" (which would work for multi-draw), and "reduced to 0" (which does not).

In other words, once the character's strength is 0 or lower, you'd have to increase it's strength, then reduce it again, to draw again.