Order of actions

By Lickitun, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

Situation:

Marshalling phase.

player A turns first, he plays all his cards he wanted, then player B's turn:

player B wants to play Robert Baratheon with dublicate and attachment but player A wants to kill Robert Baratheon with Flame-Kissed+Furever Burning

so, the question is about order of actions, should player B wait for player A action after he plays Robert or he can just play it with dublicate and attachment?

It depends on who the First Player is. The First Player always has the right to the first action in any Player Action Window.

so the second player after playing Robert should wait for the action of first player and when the first player says for example "okay I'll not playing anything", second player can play attachment to him?

Lickitun said:

so the second player after playing Robert should wait for the action of first player and when the first player says for example "okay I'll not playing anything", second player can play attachment to him?

Correct. Or Player A may play Forever Burning or Ambush in Flame-Kissed before Player B can play the duplicate. Ultimately, it's moot, because a duplicate cannot save from a terminal effect such as Flame-Kissed's, so in your scenario, Robert will die, no matter the order in which the cards end up being played.

The important thing is that player actions always alternate between the players (or go clockwise in a multiplayer game), so a player can never play two cards or do two actions without another player having the opportunity for his own player action.

okay then another situation:

now First player wants to play Robert and attachment for him (Flame-Kissed is avaiable to play only when there are no other attachments). So he play Robert but the Second player immediately says "I kill him with Flame-Kissed and Forever Burning!" before the attachment is played. Is that correct? Or the Second player must wait until the First player make all his actions?

Lickitun said:

okay then another situation:

now First player wants to play Robert and attachment for him (Flame-Kissed is avaiable to play only when there are no other attachments). So he play Robert but the Second player immediately says "I kill him with Flame-Kissed and Forever Burning!" before the attachment is played. Is that correct? Or the Second player must wait until the First player make all his actions?

Like I said, actions always alternate, so the second player cannot play both Flame-Kissed and Forever Burning without the first player being able to play an attachment on Robert between those two actions. (I apologize for not considering attachments in my previous post, I was only thinking about duplicates).

Player A plays Robert

Player B ambushes in Flame-Kissed (or Forever Burning, but not both)

Player A plays an attachment on Robert

Player B could play Forever Burning (or ambush in Flame-Kissed), but it doesn't make sense while Robert has an attachment

So all the actions in the game should be look like this:

player A do 1 (only one) action

then player B can do 1 action

then player C can do 1 action

then player D can do 1 action

and only now player A can do another action.

Is that correct?

oh and if it is player B's turn? (if player A is First player, B - second, C - third)

player B do 1 action

now player A can do 1 action

now player C can do 1 action

or

player B do 1 action

now player C can do 1 action

now player A can do 1 action

or

player B do 1 actiob

now player A can do 1 action

now player C can do 1 action?

oh sorry previous post should be:

oh and if it is player B's turn? (if player A is First player, B - second, C - third)

player B do 1 action

now player A can do 1 action

now player C can do 1 action

or

player B do 1 action

now player C can do 1 action

now player A can do 1 action

Lickitun said:

So all the actions in the game should be look like this:

player A do 1 (only one) action

then player B can do 1 action

then player C can do 1 action

then player D can do 1 action

and only now player A can do another action.

Is that correct?

This is always correct if Player A is the First Player (regardless of who is the active player during the marshalling phase, for example). After the status of active player passes from Player A to Player B during marshalling, Player A (the first player in this example) still has the first opportunity to perform an action during this new opportunity for player actions.

flame kissed can only be played via ambush in the above situation correct? since the player attempting to play it already had their active marshalling phase so they would not be allowed to pay gold to marshall a card?

Correct - you may only play the card using Ambush if your Marshaling phase is already complete.

kauai1964 said:

Correct - you may only play the card using Ambush if your Marshaling phase is already complete.

Just for clarity: All players share a single marshalling phase. Kauai meant that Flame-Kissed can only be played (by paying its gold cost) while the player is the active player during that phase -- while they are not the active player, they have to use Ambush to bring that card into play.

Just to check, ambush can be played in your own marshalling, correct?

As far as i know it is an ANY PHASE: action and is fine to to play instead of paying with gold as any other house would do.

Underworld40k said:

Just to check, ambush can be played in your own marshalling, correct?


As far as i know it is an ANY PHASE: action and is fine to to play instead of paying with gold as any other house would do.

You are correct, U40K. Every card played counts as an action, just like kneeling a reducer is one. Should someone playa character on their turn, you would have the opportunity to Ambush in a Flame-Kissed before they can use their next action to spend gold (even 0, for a bodyguard) and put an attachment on it.

kauai1964 said:

Correct - you may only play the card using Ambush if your Marshaling phase is already complete.





Underworld40k said:

As an ANY PHASE you can ambush instead of paying gold from what i can make out.

Any other time (ie, when you are NOT the active player in Marshaling), you may only use the 2-influence/put into play/Ambush option.

ktom said:

Underworld40k said:

As an ANY PHASE you can ambush instead of paying gold from what i can make out.

Correct. When you are the active player in Marshaling, you may either pay the 2 gold to play Flame-Kissed as you would any other attachment, or you may kneel the 2 influence to put Flame-Kissed into play with Ambush.

Any other time (ie, when you are NOT the active player in Marshaling), you may only use the 2-influence/put into play/Ambush option.



:)

Underworld40k said:

As i thought, always nice get it confirmed though :)