Encountering cards, spaces, scales, dragon cards etc.

By Draii, in Talisman Rules Questions

So, I've seen this being asked in numerous ways, but failed to find the exact formula (would be good with references to the rules too).

Me and my group did not manage to figure out exactly how to handle different encounters with the dragon scales lying around. Perhaps we've played it wrong even before the dragon expansion.

SO, I would appreciate if I could get some help to clarify once and for all, all kind of encountering on spaces depending on circumstances. =)


Please comment these statements and/or questions:

1) Basic encountering
In the basic game a character may choose to encounter the space, cards or other character on a space where he is landing. Encountering the character, he cant encounter the cards (monsters, objects, places etc) or the actual space (draw card, visit temple etc). Likewise a character who encounter the card/cards may not encounter other characters or the space, and if choosing to encounter the space, may not encounter characters or cards.

2) Triggering
Some quests or special abilities/followers is triggered when visiting certain spaces or instances. To solve the quest to visit the black knight the player must actually pay a gold or lose a life to the black knight, not just encountering a card/player/dragon scale on that space, right? But a follower that let you heal a life each time you enter a woods/forest space, may do so, regardless if he encounter the actual space (woods) or character/cards/dragon scales that are located in the woods.

3) Multiple instances
When visiting spaces with multiple instances like the city space, the player must choose which of the instances to visit. He can't visit multiple of them in the same turn. So in the city space, if he don't want/or cannot visit the alchemist or the doctor, he have to visit the enchantress instead. This can be avoided if there are cards and/or characters on the space to encounter instead.

4) Encounter numbers
Cards are encountered in the encounter number order. Lower goes first, and spells like "hex" are considered to have a "0" as encounter number, thus the spell is encountered first. A dragon with number 2 is thus guarding cards with higher number, and these might not be encountered unless the dragon is defeated/removed. If there also is a spirit with number 3, that too must be defeated/removed before you can get to the higher numbered cards. But if you fail to kill/remove the dragon (2), do you still fight the spirit (3)? or does your turn end before you get to the next number even when it's another enemy?

5) Dragon scales
When there is a dragon scale on a space, you may (unless it's the current dragon king's scale) choose to encounter the scale, the space or another character. What about other cards? Are they still a option, or can you only encounter them if you ecounter the scale? As if the scale is protecting the cards? When you draw a dragon card and a enemy appears, you have to add other enemies that already is on the space to the fight (same encounter number), does this include both other dragon card enemies and adventure card enemies?

6) Dragon cards
When you land on a space where there are adventure cards (troll and gold) dragon cards ( red dragon and magic object) and a dragon scale (not king) how do you get the gold? Do you have to encounter the dragon scale, thus fighting (maybe) a new dragon, the red dragon, the troll and then be able to claim the gold, the magic object and the scale, or can you encounter the cards (not the scale) and fight the troll to get the gold, or does this include the dragon cards too (so you have to fight the troll and the red dragon, to get the gold and the magic object, but don't get the scale? In short, does the already pulled dragon cards counts as adventure cards?

7) Dragon king scale
When you land on a space where there is a dragon scale, you have to encounter it. You may not encounter the space or other characters instead. right?

I stop here and wait for feedback, hopefully all will be solved, or I may add some additional questions to understand.
Regards! =)

Hi there. Let me help where I can:

1) You've got it a little wrong. You're right in saying that if you encounter a character you cannot then encounter the space. However, It's also not a choice between encountering the space or the cards. If you take a look at the flow diagram at the end of the rule book it will show you the correct method. But for clarifications sake, if there are face up cards already there then you encounter those first and, should you make it past them all, you then ecounter the space i.e. the Village. If it's a draw you space you simply draw up to the correct number of cards according to the space.

2) I believe you're correct here. One distinction I'll make with Warlock Quests is if it says to "Visit" a location then you have to travel there and perform some action there, i.e giving a gold to the Black Knight. If a quest says "Travel" to a location you just have to go there, but you're teleported back to the Warlock's Cave before you can perform any actions there.

3) You're right in that you cannot visit multiple places on a location, and that you must choose something you can actually do. You can't visit the doctor and heal no lives. However, as mentioned in one above, you still complete any cards already on the space and then visit the location. It's not a choice of cards or space.

4) You've got this right. If a lower numbered card defeats you, or tells you to miss a turn, you then don't encounter whatever else is there. Interestingly if you're told to miss a turn while there are still cards to enounter, then not encountering those cards counts as your missed turn, rather then missing your next physical turn.

5) When you encounter a scale the card drawn stacks with whatever else is there. So if you draw a Magic Object from a Dragon deck and there was already a Monster on the space, then you'd still need to defeat that Monster before claiming the Magic Object. In essence, a Dragon Scale allows you to still draw a card on an already occupied space, whereas if you choose not to enounter the Scale you wouldn't be able to draw additional cards.

6) Yes, regardless of where a card came from (Adventure Deck or Dragon Deck), they're still encountered in the normal sequence. Once a card is on the board all the usual rules for encountering them apply. They're not considered any different because they came from a Dragon Deck. So in your exampel if you landed on that space you'd have the choice of encountering the Scale, and that card would then stack in the normal number sequence. Or you could encounter the cards already in the space. So you'd fight in the Troll and Red Dragon together (assuming they're both Strength monsters) and then you'd be able to claim the gold and object.

7) Yes. When a player lands on a space with a Dragon Scale that matches the current Dragon King he must encounter that Scale. Remember, when you encounter a Dragon Scale you don't get to visit the space afterwards, such as the City, nor does the space have any effect on this current encounter. Which is nice for places like the Cursed Glade or Runes!

Hope this helps! :)

Draii said:

1) Basic encountering
In the basic game a character may choose to encounter the space, cards or other character on a space where he is landing. Encountering the character, he cant encounter the cards (monsters, objects, places etc) or the actual space (draw card, visit temple etc). Likewise a character who encounter the card/cards may not encounter other characters or the space, and if choosing to encounter the space, may not encounter characters or cards.

On a draw card space, you encounter the space first.

If there are cards on a special space, such as the chapel, tavern etc, then you encounter the cards first.

You are right, that if you encounter a character, then you don't encounter the space or the cards on that space.

Draii said:

2) Triggering
Some quests or special abilities/followers is triggered when visiting certain spaces or instances. To solve the quest to visit the black knight the player must actually pay a gold or lose a life to the black knight, not just encountering a card/player/dragon scale on that space, right? But a follower that let you heal a life each time you enter a woods/forest space, may do so, regardless if he encounter the actual space (woods) or character/cards/dragon scales that are located in the woods.

If there are cards on the black knight, then you must encounter them first before you visit the black knight.

If you want to solve the quest, then you must indeed pay a gold or lose a life.

If there is a dragon token on that space, and you must enounter it, (because that dragon lord from that token is king), then you can't visit the black knight

Yes, if a follower says that he heals a life if you land on the woods of forest, then you may heal a life before you encounter any card there.

Draii said:

3) Multiple instances
When visiting spaces with multiple instances like the city space, the player must choose which of the instances to visit. He can't visit multiple of them in the same turn. So in the city space, if he don't want/or cannot visit the alchemist or the doctor, he have to visit the enchantress instead. This can be avoided if there are cards and/or characters on the space to encounter instead.

You are right that you can't visit all the 3 locations in your turn. If you can't pay the doctor or don;t want to pay or if you don;t want to sell by the alchemist, then you must encounter the enchantress.

No, if there are cards on the space, then you must encounter them first and then the space.

Only if you encounter characters on the space, or if you encounter any dragon token on the space, then you can't encounter the space itself.

Draii said:

4) Encounter numbers
Cards are encountered in the encounter number order. Lower goes first, and spells like "hex" are considered to have a "0" as encounter number, thus the spell is encountered first. A dragon with number 2 is thus guarding cards with higher number, and these might not be encountered unless the dragon is defeated/removed. If there also is a spirit with number 3, that too must be defeated/removed before you can get to the higher numbered cards. But if you fail to kill/remove the dragon (2), do you still fight the spirit (3)? or does your turn end before you get to the next number even when it's another enemy?

If you fail to kill/remove a dragon, then you lose a life and your turn ends.

You don't encounter the spirit that turn. it remains on the space, together with the dragon or other cards.

Draii said:

5) Dragon scales
When there is a dragon scale on a space, you may (unless it's the current dragon king's scale) choose to encounter the scale, the space or another character. What about other cards? Are they still a option, or can you only encounter them if you ecounter the scale? As if the scale is protecting the cards? When you draw a dragon card and a enemy appears, you have to add other enemies that already is on the space to the fight (same encounter number), does this include both other dragon card enemies and adventure card enemies?

You can indeed choose to encounter the dragon scale, or the space, or a character.

The scale is not protecting the cards, unless that dragon lord is king

Yes, if you encounter the scale, and draw a enemy, then it fights together with all the other enemies from adventure decks, highland decks etc, if they have the same encounter number.

Draii said:

6) Dragon cards
When you land on a space where there are adventure cards (troll and gold) dragon cards ( red dragon and magic object) and a dragon scale (not king) how do you get the gold? Do you have to encounter the dragon scale, thus fighting (maybe) a new dragon, the red dragon, the troll and then be able to claim the gold, the magic object and the scale, or can you encounter the cards (not the scale) and fight the troll to get the gold, or does this include the dragon cards too (so you have to fight the troll and the red dragon, to get the gold and the magic object, but don't get the scale? In short, does the already pulled dragon cards counts as adventure cards?

In your situation, you don't have to encounter the dragon token.

You encounter the space now , and fight the troll and red dragon together. If you defeat them, then you can claim the magic object and the gold.

Draii said:

7) Dragon king scale
When you land on a space where there is a dragon scale, you have to encounter it. You may not encounter the space or other characters instead. right?

When you land on a space with a dragon scale, you can choose to encounter it, unless that draconic lord is king!

If you encounter the scale, then you can't encounter the space or other characters on that space.

EvilEdwin said:

6) Yes, regardless of where a card came from (Adventure Deck or Dragon Deck), they're still encountered in the normal sequence. Once a card is on the board all the usual rules for encountering them apply. They're not considered any different because they came from a Dragon Deck. So in your exampel if you landed on that space you'd have the choice of encountering the Scale, and that card would then stack in the normal number sequence. Or you could encounter the cards already in the space. So you'd fight in the Troll and Red Dragon together (assuming they're both Strength monsters) and then you'd be able to claim the gold and object.

And, even if you encountered the space rather than the Dragon Scale, you can claim the Scale if you win the battle, because you have defeated an Enemy from one of the Dragon Decks.